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PEI_3721
December 19, 2025, 09:00:00 GMT
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Post: 12007870
A fundamentally flawed airspace design

The legal approaches are like sweeping up after the 'Lord Mayors Show' (a parade with horses).

The core issue remains that of air safety;

An independent US view focussed on safety:- "The night everything at DCA finally went wrong"

https://theaircurrent.com/aviation-s...pecial-report/

Lessons that aviation can learn now, without waiting for a trial or raking though the embers of investigation.

Note the heat map of reported incidents - the data existed, but not acted on.

"\x85 only one pilot out of four interviewed by the NTSB had an accurate and complete understanding of the structure of the D.C. helicopter routes \x97 an individual who happened to have seven years of prior experience as a military pilot in the area. Two pilots had no awareness that published routes for helicopters even existed." And other telling quotes.

Knowledge, information sharing, published approach charts, normalisation of deviance (Dekker); a systemic accident (Reason).
'Safety' is easy with hindsight, but there are many people who's job is to have foresight - to review and act on reports, at least ask 'what if', to think about, and seek an understanding of every day work (Hollnagel).

Subjects DCA  NTSB

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scard08
December 20, 2025, 04:24:00 GMT
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Post: 12008323
Originally Posted by PEI_3721
An independent US view focussed on safety:- "The night everything at DCA finally went wrong"

https://theaircurrent.com/aviation-s...pecial-report/
This has an interesting assertion that because the CRJ has ADS-B Out, the knee-mounted tablets of the helo pilots would have shown its position (meaning they had ADS-B In enabled?), but the helo pilots are trained to keep their eyes outside the cockpit near DCA because it is congested. Could the technology have alerted the helo pilots to the risk?

Subjects ADSB (All)  ADSB In  ADSB Out  CRJ  DCA

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WillowRun 6-3
January 23, 2026, 23:27:00 GMT
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Post: 12026106
From FAA website (verbatim):
Trump\x92s Transportation Secretary Formalizes Permanent Restrictions for Aircraft in Reagan National Airport Airspace

Thursday, January 22, 2026
WASHINGTON, D.C. \x97 U.S. Transportation Secretary Sean P. Duffy today announced that the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) is formalizing permanent restrictions for helicopters and powered-lift from operating in certain areas near Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport (DCA), unless these aircraft are conducting essential operations. These restrictions were put in place immediately following the American Airlines 5342 crash and supported by the NTSB\x92s preliminary recommendations.

\x93After that horrific night in January, this Administration made a promise to do whatever it takes to secure the skies over our nation\x92s capital and ensure such a tragedy would never happen again. Today\x92s announcement reaffirms that commitment,\x94 said U.S. Transportation Secretary Sean P. Duffy. \x93The safety of the American people will always be our top priority. I look forward to continuing to collaborate with the NTSB on any additional actions.\x94

The FAA published an Interim Final Rule (IFR) that will significantly reduce midair-collision risks and implement a National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) safety recommendation to prohibit certain helicopter operations when Runways 15 and 33 at DCA are in use.

\x93We took decisive action immediately following the January 2025 midair collision to reduce risk in the airspace,\x94 said FAA Administrator Bryan Bedford. \x93This is a key step toward ensuring these improvements remain permanent and we\x92re continuing to work with the NTSB to ensure an accident like this never happens again.\x94

While the interim final rule goes into effect tomorrow, the public is invited to submit written comments, which the FAA will consider before issuing a final rule.

Additional Information:

The FAA took immediate action to restrict mixed traffic around DCA and made permanent helicopter route changes after the NTSB recommendations. U.S. Transportation Secretary Sean P. Duffy and the FAA didn\x92t stop there \x96 taking additional actions for DCA to address operations, procedures, and personnel, including:

Established procedures to eliminate helicopter and fixed-wing mixed traffic near the airport
Closed Route 4 between Hains Point and the Wilson Bridge
Revised agreements with the military to require ADS-B Out broadcasting
Discontinued take offs from the Pentagon until the FAA and Department of War updated procedures and fixed technical issues at the Pentagon Heliport
Eliminated the use of visual separation within 5 nautical miles of DCA
Published modifications to helicopter zones and routes moving them farther away from DCA flight paths
Increased support, oversight and staffing at DCA
In October 2025, the FAA updated Helicopter routes and zones at DCA, Washington Dulles International Airport (IAD) and Baltimore/ Washington International Airport (BWI).

The FAA previously implemented temporary flight restrictions (TFR) around DCA. To make the restrictions contained in the TFRs permanent, the FAA issued an IFR which is set to publish on January 23, 2026, and will take effect immediately. The public is invited to submit comments on the IFR and the FAA will later publish a Final Rule in response to those comments.

Subjects ADSB (All)  ADSB Out  DCA  FAA  IFR  NTSB  Route 4  Separation (ALL)  Visual Separation

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WillowRun 6-3
January 26, 2026, 20:56:00 GMT
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Post: 12027659
NTSB meeting January 27 - probable cause determination

According to reporting published today by The Air Current - one of its periodic articles reporting on air safety which are not paywalled - the NTSB will meet on January 27. The meeting will include revealing and voting on the probable cause determination produced by its investigation into the DCA midair collision 29 January 2025.

The reporting indicates that the Board's final report is expected within two weeks.

Various safety recommendations also are anticipated to be on the agenda for the NTSB's January 27 meeting.

Of particular interest, among many other factors involved in this horrifically senseless accident (my characterization, not found in TAC reporting as such), is whether the NTSB's meeting which will mark the end of its official investigatory process will touch upon the controversial section of the NDAA, Section 373 (subject of previous posts at the time of passage, upthread).

Subjects DCA  Final Report  NDAA  NTSB  Probable Cause  Safety Recommendations  Section 373 of the FY26 NDAA

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DaveReidUK
January 27, 2026, 16:38:00 GMT
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Post: 12028081
Two-and-a-half hours into the hearing, and it's grim stuff, with the FAA being crucified in real-time.

While "an accident waiting to happen" is an old cliche, there can't have been many accidents where it was more apt, with reference being made to a precursor at DCA a dozen or so years ago where only luck avoided a similar outcome, and sod-all having been done in the meantime to mitigate the possibility of a recurrence.

Subjects Accident Waiting to Happen  DCA  FAA

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Undertow
January 27, 2026, 21:50:00 GMT
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Post: 12028235


@Osinttechnical
Possibly one of the more damning slides in NTSB history found in the Blackhawk-American Airline
s crash investigation.

In 2013, a group of local ATC and helicopter pilots proposed moving flight paths to avoid aircraft-helicopter collisions on landing at DCA. The FAA ignored them.


Subjects ATC  DCA  FAA  NTSB

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WillowRun 6-3
January 27, 2026, 22:48:00 GMT
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Post: 12028261
Originally Posted by DaveReidUK
Strictly speaking, the FAA as regulator doesn't "ignore" NTSB Safety Recommendations.

It responds to them, with either acceptance or rejection, and in the latter case provides its reasons for doing so. It may also suggest alternative means of compliance with the Board's wishes, and in some cases this leads to quite a bit of to-and-froing between the two organisations until a final position is reached.
True with regard to NTSB rec's.

But the discussion was about a working group organized, convened and conducted by people from the FAA DCA staff and other concerned parties. The output of that group is what got "ignored"


Subjects DCA  FAA  NTSB  Safety Recommendations

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DaveReidUK
January 27, 2026, 23:09:00 GMT
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Post: 12028272
Probable Cause Statement:

The NTSB determines that the probable cause of this accident was the FAA's placement of a helicopter route in close proximity to a runway approach path.

Their failure to regularly review and evaluate helicopter routes and available data, and their failure to act on recommendations to mitigate the risk of a mid-air collision near Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport, as well as the air traffic system's overreliance on visual separation.

In order to promote efficient traffic flow without consideration for the limitations of the see and avoid concept.

Also causal was the lack of effective pilot applied visual separation by the helicopter crew, which resulted in a mid-air collision.

Additional causal factors were were the tower team's loss of situational awareness and degraded performance due to a high workload of the combined helicopter and local control positions, and the absence of a risk assessment process to identify and mitigate real time operational risk factors, which resulted in miss prioritization of duties, inadequate traffic advisory advisories, and the lack of safety alerts to both flight crews.

Also causal was the Army's failure to ensure pilots were aware of the effects of air tolerances on barometric altimeter in their helicopters, which resulted in the crew flying above the maximum published helicopter route altitude.

Contributing factors include the limitations of the traffic awareness and collision alerting systems on both aircraft, which precluded effective alerting of the impending collision to the flight crew's.

An unsustainable airport arrival rate, increasing traffic volume with a changing fleet mix and airline scheduling practices at DCA, which regularly strain the DCA Atct workforce and degraded safety over time.

The Army's lack of a fully implemented safety management system, which should have identified and addressed hazards associated with altitude exceedances on the Washington, D.C. Helicopter routes.

The FAA's failure across multiple organizations to implement previous NTSB recommendations, including Ads-b in and to follow and fully integrate its established safety management system, which should have led to several organizational and operational changes based on previously identified risk that were known to management and the absence of effective data sharing and analysis among the FAA aircraft operators and other relevant organizations.

Subjects Barometric Altimeter  DCA  FAA  NTSB  Probable Cause  Route Altitude  See and Avoid  Separation (ALL)  Situational Awareness  Visual Separation

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BFSGrad
January 28, 2026, 01:17:00 GMT
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Post: 12028315
Originally Posted by Equivocal
I haven't read the report yet but if this is what it concludes, it looks like it's going to be a disappointing read. Aircraft move around and it's not possible to design routes that never intersect....in an environment such as the one in question, ATC should be authorising the aircraft to follow specific routes only when the requisite separation will exist.
Agree. Disappointed with this PC. It would be like a DCA arrival landing on 1 has an intersection collision with an aircraft landing on 33 and the cause is the existence of one or the other intersecting runways. There\x92s a nearly infinite number of points in the NAS where two aircraft can occupy the same point if not procedurally separated.

Subjects ATC  DCA  Separation (ALL)

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WillowRun 6-3
January 28, 2026, 03:09:00 GMT
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Post: 12028338
"The NTSB determines that the probable cause of this accident was the FAA's placement of a helicopter route in close proximity to a runway approach path."

The PC statement should be read in its entirety, and at the conscious risk of ripe cliche, context matters. The Board did not assign the probable cause to the intersecting flight routes as such. For one thing, Chair Homendy repeatedly since the early days of the Board investigation has hammered upon the fact that the vertical separation was as little as 75 feet without any procedural separation (such as the helos holding at Haines Point). And also since the start of the investigation, time and again the complexity of the DCA airspace, and the (in my strident opinion) very messed up operation of DCA with regard to - as ATC staff testified - just "making it work", have been emphasized. Plus the refusal of FAA ATO to act upon the input from the helicopter working group several years ago, plus FAA's declining to note "hot spots" on charts. And the staffing issues, and lack of fidelity to SMS on the part of FAA and to some extent the Army as well. And there were, quite obviously, many findings of fact which are necessarily part of the context for reading . . . and understanding, the PC determination.

A person need not be an aeronautical engineer, airspace architect, or civilian or military aviator to understand from the get-go that intersecting flight paths might be found across the NAS. I'll stand to be corrected but I do not think - having watched the entirety of the hearing today - that the criticism of the Probable Cause finding is a valid, fair or accurate assessment of the Board's work in this investigation.
WillowRun 6-3

Subjects ATC  DCA  FAA  Findings  Helicopter Working Group  Hot Spots  NTSB  NTSB Chair Jennifer Homendy  Probable Cause  Separation (ALL)  Vertical Separation

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artee
January 28, 2026, 03:16:00 GMT
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Post: 12028339
Originally Posted by WillowRun 6-3
"The NTSB determines that the probable cause of this accident was the FAA's placement of a helicopter route in close proximity to a runway approach path."

The PC statement should be read in its entirety, and at the conscious risk of ripe cliche, context matters. The Board did not assign the probable cause to the intersecting flight routes as such. For one thing, Chair Homendy repeatedly since the early days of the Board investigation has hammered upon the fact that the vertical separation was as little as 75 feet without any procedural separation (such as the helos holding at Haines Point). And also since the start of the investigation, time and again the complexity of the DCA airspace, and the (in my strident opinion) very messed up operation of DCA with regard to - as ATC staff testified - just "making it work", have been emphasized. Plus the refusal of FAA ATO to act upon the input from the helicopter working group several years ago, plus FAA's declining to note "hot spots" on charts. And the staffing issues, and lack of fidelity to SMS on the part of FAA and to some extent the Army as well. And there were, quite obviously, many findings of fact which are necessarily part of the context for reading . . . and understanding, the PC determination.

A person need not be an aeronautical engineer, airspace architect, or civilian or military aviator to understand from the get-go that intersecting flight paths might be found across the NAS. I'll stand to be corrected but I do not think - having watched the entirety of the hearing today - that the criticism of the Probable Cause finding is a valid, fair or accurate assessment of the Board's work in this investigation.
WillowRun 6-3
I find it interesting that the actions of the crew of PSA5342 were not included as Probable Cause. How do you think this will affect the lawsuit against them?

Subjects ATC  DCA  FAA  Findings  Helicopter Working Group  Hot Spots  NTSB  NTSB Chair Jennifer Homendy  Probable Cause  Separation (ALL)  Vertical Separation

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LowObservable
January 29, 2026, 00:17:00 GMT
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Post: 12028883
Originally Posted by WillowRun 6-3
From FAA website (verbatim):

Discontinued take offs from the Pentagon until the FAA and Department of War updated procedures and fixed technical issues at the Pentagon Heliport
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This includes Route 5 along I-395, where helos were routinely flown at altitudes that masked them from the DCA tower and regularly flew outside the authorized route, on the east side of the Pentagon reservation, under the RWR 15 approach. Those ops were flown multiple times per day.

Subjects DCA  FAA  Route 5

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