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Chesty Morgan
January 31, 2025, 08:55:00 GMT
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PAT25 twice asks for, and is given, visual separation.

Seems pretty obvious where the blame lies.

Subjects PAT25  Separation (ALL)  Visual Separation

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Chesty Morgan
January 31, 2025, 09:46:00 GMT
permalink Post: 11818047
Originally Posted by xetroV
But blame is not what we\x92re searching for in accident investigations.
Quite right. However, I'm not investigating this accident. Nobody on PPRuNe is. It's a rumour network.

Perhaps I should rephrase. Responsibility for separation was given to PAT25. Failure to maintain separation was caused by PAT25 not maintaining the separation that they were responsible for. Ergo, the collision was caused by a reduction in separation to zero, which was the responsibility of PAT25.

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Chesty Morgan
January 31, 2025, 10:04:00 GMT
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Originally Posted by Final 3 Greens
For direct cause, I would agree. However, IMO, one needs to look into the system of root causes that enabled the direct cause to occur, to learn lessons and take meaningful action.

Others, far more qualified than me, have already described these root causes.
Of course and I'm not suggesting otherwise.

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Chesty Morgan
January 31, 2025, 12:11:00 GMT
permalink Post: 11818154
Originally Posted by Lead Balloon
As it's a rumour network...

Perhaps the "responsibility" should never have been "given" to a helicopter to maintain separation on the basis of visual identification of another aircraft, at night, in close proximity to an airport in Class B airspace.
Perhaps not, but it was. That they maybe shouldn't have been given that responsibility doesn't abrogate them from such.

It's akin to blaming someone else when you fly in to a hill under your own terrain separation.

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Chesty Morgan
January 31, 2025, 12:13:00 GMT
permalink Post: 11818156
Originally Posted by henra
Are you sure that makes for a good strategy to prevent future re- occurrence?
Not my remit. I'm sure valid strategies will be implemented in due course.

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Chesty Morgan
January 31, 2025, 14:31:00 GMT
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Talk of it being difficult to pick out aircraft nav lights is a red herring. The heli was, initially, several hundred feet below the CRJ and should have been able to easily see the lights against the night sky.

Blaming the airspace design is also a non starter. Are we really going to say that just because the airspace is poorly designed then I'm just going to fly in to that regional jet over there?

First rule of airmanship anyone? Keep a good lookout. Seems like the helicopter crew failed to do so having been given their requested visual separation. Should have had eyes on stalks.





Subjects CRJ  Separation (ALL)  Visual Separation

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Chesty Morgan
January 31, 2025, 15:31:00 GMT
permalink Post: 11818294
Originally Posted by phantomsphorever
Do you honestly believe that is what the heli guys were doing?
I think we can all agree this did not happen on purpose!
They were clearly looking at some other aircraft - and probably spend too much time and focus on it
Obviously that wasn't meant to be taken literally. Intentionally or not the result is the same.

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Chesty Morgan
January 31, 2025, 17:54:00 GMT
permalink Post: 11818415
Originally Posted by W9SQD
The Federal Aviation Administration has indefinitely shut down the low-altitude helicopter corridor that was in use at the time of Wednesday night\x92s fatal midair collision near Reagan National Airport, an FAA official tells CNN.

https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/pla...-25/index.html
Firmly closing the stable door years after the horse left the state...

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Chesty Morgan
February 01, 2025, 21:23:00 GMT
permalink Post: 11819308
Originally Posted by RatherBeFlying
We have to wait for the NTSB to let us know what, if any, traffic appeared where on the CRJ panel, how prominent it appeared, or if there were aural warnings.

I have received warnings and an alarm for Flarm traffic. When I have seen ADS-B traffic I have been able to stay far enough away that I haven't been able to verify whether warnings and alarms are provided for ADS-B traffic if it becomes a threat.
Airline pilots do not, as a matter of course, avoid TCAS traffic unless given an RA, TCAS is notoriously inaccurate laterally, we will try to acquire traffic visually and may then react IF we can.

Also depending on the range selected on the TCAS or ND display you might get a load of garbled nonesense.

Subjects ADSB (All)  CRJ  NTSB  TCAS (All)

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