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Toruk Macto
January 30, 2025, 13:59:00 GMT
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Originally Posted by island_airphoto

When I was working as a CFI out of VKK, literally right outside the DCA Class B, we did training flights at DCA. It was not unusual, how were the students supposed to learn to deal with it if we never went there? One lesson was the "Big 3", going to DCA, IAD, BWI, and back home. ATC was happy enough, they surely didn't want n00bs blundering around there on their own with a fresh license and no clue.

Simulators , industry has moved away from training high risk simulated failures in an aircraft and introduced loft sessions to avoid training in high work load environments. Then a route check . No one saying send up an inexperienced crew to avoid intense training but just do it in a simulator .

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Toruk Macto
January 30, 2025, 18:28:00 GMT
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Many years ago the Chinese had big brand new airports , ATC spoke good English , when stressed just raised their voice but speed was same . Good ground aids , wide runways and the military gave some airspace for certain routes to be established but they had issue with increasing the usage and looked around for help . They paid some Americans to come over and they improved things and now it\x92s a very good system .

The American system is confronting , aggressive to pilots that don\x92t do night separation , ATC are passive aggressive then quick to accuse . It\x92s running at %120 and resources are being reduced . For info I already know I can\x92t see airport , preceding traffic , a bridge or a taxiway identifier that\x92s hidden or behind me when I operate there next week .

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Toruk Macto
January 31, 2025, 16:22:00 GMT
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Originally Posted by montague

I was comparing the ATC to the Heathrow BA38 recordings, Heathrow much calmer and clearer (but then maybe it is because I am a Brit and easier to understand my own accent)

mate , Heathrow controllers are brilliant , best of the best . They consistently impress , nothing seems to rattle them ( I know they are human and stress like we all do ) .

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Toruk Macto
February 01, 2025, 12:49:00 GMT
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK

It's being reported that the purpose of the flight was specifically to use NVGs (not sure whether for training purposes or for a check).

Must admit this is a worry , would military require NVG to be demonstrated during a check in a bright city doing a visual transit beside a busy city airport with over worked controllers ?
Thoughts to ALL involved !
RIP

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Toruk Macto
February 02, 2025, 03:54:00 GMT
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The aviation system is past max captivity , many of the operating staff are at %110 on a good day , the rules are being pushed to breaking point . If you grew up in this system it feels normal but if you\x92re a visitor it\x92s confronting but hey it\x92s your system . To \x93 fix \x93 it a little will cost a lot of money , more people and time . To fix it a lot would shave points of your GDP , slow the economy and inconvenience many including the rich and powerful .

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Toruk Macto January 30, 2025, 13:59:00 GMT permalink Post: 11817269	Quote: Originally Posted by island_airphoto When I was working as a CFI out of VKK, literally right outside the DCA Class B, we did training flights at DCA. It was not unusual, how were the students supposed to learn to deal with it if we never went there? One lesson was the "Big 3", going to DCA, IAD, BWI, and back home. ATC was happy enough, they surely didn't want n00bs blundering around there on their own with a fresh license and no clue. Simulators , industry has moved away from training high risk simulated failures in an aircraft and introduced loft sessions to avoid training in high work load environments. Then a route check . No one saying send up an inexperienced crew to avoid intense training but just do it in a simulator . Subjects ATC DCA Links are to this post in the relevant subject page so that this post can be seen in context. 1 recorded likes for this post. Reply to this quoting this original post. You need to be logged in. Not available on closed threads.
Toruk Macto January 30, 2025, 18:28:00 GMT permalink Post: 11817512	Many years ago the Chinese had big brand new airports , ATC spoke good English , when stressed just raised their voice but speed was same . Good ground aids , wide runways and the military gave some airspace for certain routes to be established but they had issue with increasing the usage and looked around for help . They paid some Americans to come over and they improved things and now it\x92s a very good system . The American system is confronting , aggressive to pilots that don\x92t do night separation , ATC are passive aggressive then quick to accuse . It\x92s running at %120 and resources are being reduced . For info I already know I can\x92t see airport , preceding traffic , a bridge or a taxiway identifier that\x92s hidden or behind me when I operate there next week . Subjects ATC Separation (ALL) Links are to this post in the relevant subject page so that this post can be seen in context. 2 recorded likes for this post. Reply to this quoting this original post. You need to be logged in. Not available on closed threads.
Toruk Macto January 31, 2025, 16:22:00 GMT permalink Post: 11818338	Quote: Originally Posted by montague I was comparing the ATC to the Heathrow BA38 recordings, Heathrow much calmer and clearer (but then maybe it is because I am a Brit and easier to understand my own accent) mate , Heathrow controllers are brilliant , best of the best . They consistently impress , nothing seems to rattle them ( I know they are human and stress like we all do ) . Subjects ATC Links are to this post in the relevant subject page so that this post can be seen in context. 5 recorded likes for this post. Reply to this quoting this original post. You need to be logged in. Not available on closed threads.
Toruk Macto February 01, 2025, 12:49:00 GMT permalink Post: 11819002	Quote: Originally Posted by DaveReidUK It's being reported that the purpose of the flight was specifically to use NVGs (not sure whether for training purposes or for a check). Must admit this is a worry , would military require NVG to be demonstrated during a check in a bright city doing a visual transit beside a busy city airport with over worked controllers ? Thoughts to ALL involved ! RIP Subjects Night Vision Goggles (NVG) Links are to this post in the relevant subject page so that this post can be seen in context. 1 recorded likes for this post. Reply to this quoting this original post. You need to be logged in. Not available on closed threads.
Toruk Macto February 02, 2025, 03:54:00 GMT permalink Post: 11819498	The aviation system is past max captivity , many of the operating staff are at %110 on a good day , the rules are being pushed to breaking point . If you grew up in this system it feels normal but if you\x92re a visitor it\x92s confronting but hey it\x92s your system . To \x93 fix \x93 it a little will cost a lot of money , more people and time . To fix it a lot would shave points of your GDP , slow the economy and inconvenience many including the rich and powerful . Subjects: None 1 recorded likes for this post. Reply to this quoting this original post. You need to be logged in. Not available on closed threads.

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