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Kraftstoffvondesibel
June 14, 2025, 16:39:00 GMT permalink Post: 11903679 |
This is a screen shot taken from the Video thats posted on the BBC Verify website, that they have verified as authentic.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c626y121rxxo I still can't see a RAT deployed. However, the rat is small, and the artifacts are plentiful. Small sensor, compressed video, compressed upload, zoom, it is in short an awful source. However, the RAT is a much better noisemaker, and the audio signature is much more obvious than it’s visual appearance in this case, and though the recording isn’t fantastic quality, there was more than enough information there to objectively conclude the RAT is out. And that is my professional, on the weekend, opinion. I want to ask a pretty frank question for all of you, and I hope it is ok, from an audio specialist non-pilot: Provided the engines spooled down. Provided the RAT is out. (There are no explosions, no bird strikes.) Isn’t software and previous electrical failures a red herring too?Would anything but a complete fuel shut off lead to this result? That still leaves everything from the Fate is the Hunter plot, to Airbus A350 center consoles and Alaska 2059 open as root causes. |
slfool
June 17, 2025, 12:28:00 GMT permalink Post: 11904258 |
BBC News article on the teen who took "that" video:
The teen who filmed the Air India crash video the world saw |
adnoid
June 17, 2025, 15:05:00 GMT permalink Post: 11904382 |
BBC News article on the teen who took "that" video:
The teen who filmed the Air India crash video the world saw
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As the plane went on a downward spiral, he kept filming it, unable to grasp what was about to happen...
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ettore
June 17, 2025, 19:33:00 GMT permalink Post: 11904589 |
BBC News article on the teen who took "that" video:
The teen who filmed the Air India crash video the world saw I believe there are native speakers professional pilots on Pprune who might have read or could find the original piece. Could they help to clarify Aryan's statements in English?
I saw the plane. It was going down and down. Then it wobbled (?) and crashed right in front of my eyes.
It [the aircraft] was shaking (?), moving left and right
More of this eyewitness' statements in Gujarati also might NOT have been translated into English. Maybe worth checking for more detailed information. Thanks. Last edited by Senior Pilot; 17th June 2025 at 20:48 . Reason: wording again |
Yo_You_Not_You_you
June 17, 2025, 20:20:00 GMT permalink Post: 11904623 |
Aryan Asari, the 17-year-old who filmed the crash from his father's rooftop, gave his original interview earlier in the week to BBC Gujarati, i.e in Gujarati language.
I believe they're native speakers professional pilots on Pprune who might have read or could find the original piece. Could they help to clarify Aryan's statements in English? More of this eyewitness' statements in Gujarati also might NOT have been translated into English. Maybe worth checking for added value. Thanks. Grand mother was the one saying it was shaking . She said her location was even closer to the airport . She also said the plane was silent compared to how others make the sound
while above the sound was there , but leaving sound was missing , You know how much Baloon (plane) makes the sound, this was weird .
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TWT
June 20, 2025, 09:21:00 GMT permalink Post: 11906763 |
India's Aircraft Accident Investigation Bureau (AAIB) is yet to decide whether flight data and cockpit voice recorders from the Air India flight that crashed last Thursday will be sent overseas for decoding and analysis.
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Kentut
June 20, 2025, 17:32:00 GMT permalink Post: 11907152 |
Source: business today June 19th |
skwdenyer
June 21, 2025, 15:23:00 GMT permalink Post: 11907840 |
That doesn\x92t make sense at all. 53% would be around 53t which is reasonable for that flight.
A full fuel load of 100t would have brought them by far over the MTOM as there is only around 8t of load left with full fuel of 100t. My guess with 242 POB and some baggage would be at least around 24t of load. Furthermore the fuel burn for tankering almost 50t for 9h would be enormous. EDIT: Sailvi767 was quicker\x85
The plane carried almost 1,25,000 litres of fuel, and due to the high temperature, there was no chance of saving anyone.
I have no idea if he actually knew how much fuel was on board, or whether he'd simply been told it was "full" and somebody had looked up the capacity (126k litres) and he then quoted that "full" number. Or whether, in fact, there was an excess of fuel. But since that seems so far the only public statement on fuel load, it shouldn't just be dismissed out of hand. |
jolihokistix
June 27, 2025, 11:36:00 GMT permalink Post: 11911913 |
This paragraph from the BBC article above contains wording which suggests a secondary but important angle:
Quote: "The analysis of CVR and FDR [flight data recorder] data is underway. These efforts aim to reconstruct the sequence of events leading to the accident and identify contributing factors to enhance aviation safety and prevent future occurrences," the ministry said in a statement. These 'contributing factors' will surely be what is taking time to pin down. |
DaveReidUK
July 12, 2025, 21:39:00 GMT permalink Post: 11920855 |
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slast
July 13, 2025, 17:15:00 GMT permalink Post: 11921459 |
Just to endorse CaptainBiggles101 post #557. Speculation based on this preliminary report should not start encouraging the simplistic mass media attitude of \x93we don\x92t know what happened so it must be pilot initiated\x94, Don't put together complicated theories about potential sequences of crew actions to give that an air of authority.
We have a very limited initial report which meets the ICAO requirement to produce one. It may or may not be written in the investigators and/or authors\x92 native language, and will have been the subject of considerable \x93negotiation\x94 before release as to its contents. While the bald facts are stated, some cannot be taken at face value without much more context. For example the use of the word \x93transitioned\x94 rather than \x93moved\x94 or \x93placed\x94 in regard to the fuel switches positions may be significant. There is a summary of only two elements of intra-crew voice communications, which again may or may not be in the right language, and one radio message, as yet unattributable to individuals. Everyone here should know that there are many missing elements which could be just as significant. It\x92s highly regrettable that even \x93reputable\x94 media use such summaries and extracts in headlines and jump to simplistic conclusions. The complete story may be totally different and follow an extremely improbable sequence of events. This is nothing new - for example forty years ago the BBC\x92s first broadcast report of the crash of JAL 123 B747 included a statement that first information indicated it to be \x93almost certainly the result of pilot error\x94. I was the ranking IFALPA spokesman at the time and quickly got this removed from their reports with a later apology from the head of BBC news. The accident was actually due to catastrophic structural failure following an inadequate repair of a tail-strike 7 years earlier, and the crew had struggled heroically for 30 minutes to keep an a physically unflyable aircraft airborne. I mention it simply to illustrate that professionals here should do as little as possible to feed unverifiable conclusions, and follow the mods guidance. Rant over. Steve |