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I have seen your previous posts about this, and I happen to agree. Visually, as a lay man non visuals expert, I am in your \xabcamp.\xbb

However, the rat is small, and the artifacts are plentiful. Small sensor, compressed video, compressed upload, zoom, it is in short an awful source.

However, the RAT is a much better noisemaker, and the audio signature is much more obvious than it’s visual appearance in this case, and though the recording isn’t fantastic quality, there was more than enough information there to objectively conclude the RAT is out. And that is my professional, on the weekend, opinion.

I want to ask a pretty frank question for all of you, and I hope it is ok, from an audio specialist non-pilot:
Provided the engines spooled down. Provided the RAT is out. (There are no explosions, no bird strikes.)
Isn’t software and previous electrical failures a red herring too?Would anything but a complete fuel shut off lead to this result? That still leaves everything from the Fate is the Hunter plot, to Airbus A350 center consoles and Alaska 2059 open as root causes.

BBC News article on the teen who took "that" video:

The teen who filmed the Air India crash video the world saw

From the article:


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Aryan Asari, the 17-year-old who filmed the crash from his father's rooftop, gave his original interview earlier in the week to BBC Gujarati, i.e in Gujarati language.

I believe there are native speakers professional pilots on Pprune who might have read or could find the original piece. Could they help to clarify Aryan's statements in English?

The BBC report in English also says that according to this witness account "the plane went on a downward spiral" which doesn't make sense given how low it was.

More of this eyewitness' statements in Gujarati also might NOT have been translated into English. Maybe worth checking for more detailed information. Thanks.

BBC's article quotes him as saying the shaking or moving left and right . But on more fresh interviews he didn't say that . He was assuming the plane was landing since it was his first time there . He came an hour before . He wanted to take video for his friends back at the village . Apparently this is a phenomenon called Misinformation Effect "where well-documented phenomenon in psychology that describes the tendency for post-event information to interfere with and alter a person's memory of an original event."

Grand mother was the one saying it was shaking . She said her location was even closer to the airport . She also said the plane was silent compared to how others make the sound Maybe he started incorporating extra information from her and in turn Who know What Information she is getting Misattributed , Overwritten etc herself but her take is also possible take on engine failure.

According to this BBC article (from 3hrs ago), the Indian AAIB is yet to decide if they'll send the recorders overseas

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/clyn2227jlyo

The Ministry of Civil Aviation has denied reports that the black boxes from the Air India plane crash are being sent overseas. The \x93Black Box Lab\x94 under India\x92s Civil Aviation Ministry is currently analysing the flight data recorder and cockpit voice recorder retrieved from the wreckage of the ill-fated Air India AI-171 flight. ( This must be the Rs 90 million allegedly state-of-the-art facility at Udaan Bhawan [ with the assistance of Hindustan Aeronautics Limited ], New Delhi which was ready on 9th April 2025 - shouldn't it be more appropriate for DGCA / MoCA to get needed expertise, if at all, to their Delhi facility ASAP ? ).

Source: business today June 19th

Multiple sources, including BBC, have quoted Amit Shah, Home Affairs Minister, as saying the plane had 100 tonnes of fuel on board. This seems to stem from a direct quote from Shah, in which it is reported he said:

Using a rough approximation of 0.8kg = 1l leads to the 100t figure. Plenty of other sources for that 1.25 lakh litres fuel quote, including Times of India: https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/.../121815339.cms

I have no idea if he actually knew how much fuel was on board, or whether he'd simply been told it was "full" and somebody had looked up the capacity (126k litres) and he then quoted that "full" number. Or whether, in fact, there was an excess of fuel. But since that seems so far the only public statement on fuel load, it shouldn't just be dismissed out of hand.

This paragraph from the BBC article above contains wording which suggests a secondary but important angle:

Quote: "The analysis of CVR and FDR [flight data recorder] data is underway. These efforts aim to reconstruct the sequence of events leading to the accident and identify contributing factors to enhance aviation safety and prevent future occurrences," the ministry said in a statement.

These 'contributing factors' will surely be what is taking time to pin down.

BBC Radio 5 this morning included an interview with a former 747 pilot describing an engine rundown on taxi out at BKK, caused by the switch issue described in the SB (he had been unaware of the SB up to that point).

Just to endorse CaptainBiggles101 post #557. Speculation based on this preliminary report should not start encouraging the simplistic mass media attitude of \x93we don\x92t know what happened so it must be pilot initiated\x94, Don't put together complicated theories about potential sequences of crew actions to give that an air of authority.

We have a very limited initial report which meets the ICAO requirement to produce one. It may or may not be written in the investigators and/or authors\x92 native language, and will have been the subject of considerable \x93negotiation\x94 before release as to its contents. While the bald facts are stated, some cannot be taken at face value without much more context. For example the use of the word \x93transitioned\x94 rather than \x93moved\x94 or \x93placed\x94 in regard to the fuel switches positions may be significant.

There is a summary of only two elements of intra-crew voice communications, which again may or may not be in the right language, and one radio message, as yet unattributable to individuals. Everyone here should know that there are many missing elements which could be just as significant.

It\x92s highly regrettable that even \x93reputable\x94 media use such summaries and extracts in headlines and jump to simplistic conclusions. The complete story may be totally different and follow an extremely improbable sequence of events. This is nothing new - for example forty years ago the BBC\x92s first broadcast report of the crash of JAL 123 B747 included a statement that first information indicated it to be \x93almost certainly the result of pilot error\x94. I was the ranking IFALPA spokesman at the time and quickly got this removed from their reports with a later apology from the head of BBC news. The accident was actually due to catastrophic structural failure following an inadequate repair of a tail-strike 7 years earlier, and the crew had struggled heroically for 30 minutes to keep an a physically unflyable aircraft airborne.

I mention it simply to illustrate that professionals here should do as little as possible to feed unverifiable conclusions, and follow the mods guidance. Rant over.
Steve