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| DBYO
2025-06-18T16:29:00 permalink Post: 11905383 |
Fleet checks
An interesting statement.
Does the statement imply that something noted on the crashed aircraft was not present on the remaining aircraft. If the investigative team are aware of what happened, are they also aware of why it happened. As noted elsewhere - surely far too soon to be certain. If they are not aware of the why or how, how can they be certain there are no safety deficiencies. Similarily, aircraft and maintainence comply with existing standards. It may well have been the case that existing standards were applied to the crashed aircraft. Does the statement imply that there was nothing wrong with either the Boeing aircraft or the Air India standards. What about the GE engines, are they considered part of the description of both aircraft and standards. Or was the entire exercise merely a PR wash which achieved nothing other than optics that 787s and Air India are safe because standards are being maintained and aeroplanes have no issues. I'm tempted to read nothing into the statement because it came from the DGCA rather than the AAIB of India. It was surely a worthwhile exercise, whatever the outcome. It hasn\x92t come up trumps but it was at least possible that inspecting the other aircraft might have thrown up a clue to the crash. It would be interesting to know whether the crashed aircraft was used for parts around the Covid slowdown and whether this was exceptional or whether other inspected aircraft were similarly treated. |
| John Marsh
2025-06-19T04:19:00 permalink Post: 11905709 |
Interview with Tata Group CEO
I have been able to access the video. Salient points from the CEO:
"This (particular) aircraft has a clean history." "Right engine was a new engine, put in March 2025." "Left engine last serviced in 2023." Due for servicing at end of 2025 [unclear/misspoke]. "Both the engine histories are clean." "Both the pilots are exceptional pilots. The Captain...has more than 11,500h. FO has more than 3,400h." No preliminary investigation by Air India. Must wait for the DGCA to investigate. I will offer the audio . The safety & technical aspects are addressed from approx. 12 minutes in. 2 users liked this post. |
| Musician
2025-06-19T04:40:00 permalink Post: 11905712 |
Air India Radar Altimeters are reported to be 5G-safe
Here's a source to (hopefully) put the 5G speculations to rest:
As 5G telecommunications technology rapidly expands, India's Directorate General of Civil Aviation (DGCA) has issued a directive requiring airlines to upgrade their aircraft's radio altimeters (RAs). This directive avoids potential interference between the new 5G telecommunications technology and the existing aviation equipment. For example, Air India, a fleet comprising 39 % 787s and 777s, stated that retrofitting an RA is an overnight process that would not disrupt flight schedules. These models in Air India's fleet already possess the new RAs. Last edited by Musician; 19th Jun 2025 at 04:54 . 1 user liked this post. |
| Kentut
2025-06-20T17:32:00 permalink Post: 11907152 |
Source: business today June 19th |
| Icarus2001
2025-06-21T01:15:00 permalink Post: 11907429 |
so it's not clear who has primacy in the investigation any more.
Under ICAO rules the AAIB has lead on this. It was an Indian registered aircraft that crashed in India, how could they not be? The aviation minister ordered a “high level” investigation in to the accident. This is politics only.
NEW DELHI, June 15 (Xinhua) -- India's federal civil aviation minister Ram Mohan Naidu Kinjarapu Saturday said keeping in view the utmost seriousness of the incident, another high-level committee has been formed to probe the deadly plane crash in the western state of Gujarat.
The committee, according to Kinjarapu, will be headed by the home secretary and will submit its report in three months. If the aviation minister understood his portfolio he would know that the AAIB and DGCA are the accountable and responsible agencies here. Watch carefully. 3 users liked this post. |
| AndyJS
2025-06-21T22:23:00 permalink Post: 11908114 |
Please delete if already posted. This is from Reuters.
"India's aviation watchdog has issued a warning to Air India for "repeated and serious violations" related to pilot duty scheduling and oversight, according to government directives reviewed by Reuters on Saturday. The Directorate General of Civil Aviation (DGCA) directed Air India to remove three company executives from crew scheduling roles - a divisional vice president, a chief manager of crew scheduling and one planning executive - for lapses linked to flights from Bengaluru to London on May 16 and May 17 that exceeded the stipulated pilot flight time limit of 10 hours." https://www.reuters.com/world/india/...gs-2025-06-21/ 2 users liked this post. |
| Icarus2001
2025-06-22T06:23:00 permalink Post: 11908302 |
Constructing ever more unlikely cascading failures to fit the very few known facts is unproductive.
Of more interest to me is the lack of word on the plan to interrogate the EAFR units. Where and when? Also that the DGCA wants THREE managers removed from their positions at Air India. Unconnected to this accident however. Imagine Qantas being told by CASA to do a similar thing, or BA by the CAA, amazing stuff. |
| compressor stall
2025-06-22T07:07:00 permalink Post: 11908309 |
1. That happens from time to time and its the way things are done in India and it's only newsworthy now by association (not causation), or 2. The DGCA need to be seen to be doing something, and that's some low hanging fruit in an otherwise vacuum of information. 1 user liked this post. |
| Musician
2025-06-22T07:24:00 permalink Post: 11908318 |
It's either 2 things....
1. That happens from time to time and its the way things are done in India and it's only newsworthy now by association (not causation), or 2. The DGCA need to be seen to be doing something, and that's some low hanging fruit in an otherwise vacuum of information. It's a speculation, but I'd be surprised if it didn't fit the facts. Also, we can't draw any conclusions about the accident crew; the discovery could've been incidental, or the accident crew might be affected, but the investigation is ongoing, so that's not public yet. It will be in the report, perhaps in the preliminary report even. (I expect NTSB and UK AAIB insist on a preliminary report, but who knows.) |
| WillowRun 6-3
2025-06-30T16:43:00 permalink Post: 11913762 |
Considering the difficulties so far in determining cause(s) of this accident and the relatively scant infromation released by the investigating authorities, this news item about actions by the DGCA, which could turn out to be relevant, caught my eye. It was published in Aviation Daily, June 25, with a by-line of a senior air transport editor at AW&ST.
Indian aviation authorities have discovered a list of discrepancies while conducting an assessment of safety measures in the Indian aviation industry.
Two teams from the Directorate General of Civil Aviation (DGCA) carried out surveillance during night and early morning hours at major airports, including those in Delhi and Mumbai. The surveillance order was issued on June 19, and the DGCA summarized its findings in a June 24 statement. The assessment covered a wide range of areas such as flight operations, airworthiness, ramp safety, air traffic control, pre-flight medical evaluations and communication, navigation and surveillance systems. As part of this process, “ground activities and aircraft movements were closely monitored to check the compliance [with] regulatory requirements and to identify weak areas for improvement,” the DGCA said. In one of the more notable findings, the DGCA observed multiple cases where “reported defects reappeared many times on the aircraft indicating the ineffective monitoring and inadequate rectification action.” However, the DGCA did not reveal details of the incidents, or the airline or aircraft involved. Maintenance regulations or procedures were not followed correctly in some instances. Airport issues involved runway markings and lighting, ground vehicles and obstruction data. All of the findings have been communicated to the operators concerned, and they must take corrective actions within seven days, the DGCA said. “This process of comprehensive surveillance will continue in the future to detect hazards in the system,” the agency said. With apologies if this drifts too far from the current exchanges on the thread. Last edited by S.o.S.; 30th Jun 2025 at 16:54 . Reason: Clarify the quote. |