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| Senior Pilot
July 20, 2025, 22:34:00 GMT permalink Post: 11925980 |
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| Senior Pilot
July 24, 2025, 02:01:00 GMT permalink Post: 11927536 |
Further update:
https://www.airindia.com/in/en/newsr...spections.html
PRESS RELEASE
STATEMENT ON COMPLETION OF FUEL CONTROL SWITCH INSPECTIONS JUL 22, 2025 ANNOUNCEMENTS. July 22, 13:20 hours Air India has completed precautionary inspections on the locking mechanism of Fuel Control Switch (FCS) on all Boeing 787 and Boeing 737 aircraft in its fleet. Boeing 737 aircraft are part of the fleet of Air India Express, Air India’s low cost subsidiary. With this, the two airlines have complied with the directives of the DGCA issued on July 14, 2025. In the inspections, no issues were found with the said locking mechanism. Air India had started voluntary inspections on 12 July and completed them within the prescribed time limit set by the DGCA. The same has been communicated to the regulator. Air India remains committed to the safety of passengers and crew members.
‘No issues’ found after fuel-switch lock checks on Air India 787 fleet
By David Kaminski-Morrow 23 July 2025 Air India states it has found no issues with the fuel-control switch locking mechanisms on its Boeing 787 fleet, after inspections prompted by the crash at Ahmedabad last month.Preliminary findings from the inquiry had noted a US Federal Aviation Administration safety bulletin from 2018 referring to the possibility that fuel-control switches had been installed on various models – including all 787 variants – with the locking feature disengaged. This lock prevents the switches being inadvertently moved to the ‘cut-off’ position, which would halt the fuel-flow to the aircraft’s engines. Given that the initial inquiry findings point to activation of both the left- and right-hand fuel switches, the status of the lock on the 787 involved in the 12 June accident has been a subject of uncertainty. While investigators have yet to disclose details of the switch locks on the crashed aircraft, Air India has found “no issues” with the mechanism on remaining 787s – or the Boeing 737s of Air India Express – after completing precautionary inspections. This reduces – although does not eliminate – the probability of inadvertent activation, as outlined in the FAA bulletin, given that it would require a highly-unusual slip on the only aircraft with a faulty switch. The inspections mean the two carriers have complied with an Indian DGCA regulatory directive issued on 14 July. “Air India remains committed to the safety of passengers and crew members,” says the airline.
Source: AirTeamImages Air India initiated checks on its 787s and 737s after investigators highlighted a potential fuel-switch lock issue The Federation of Indian Pilots has rejected the possibility of the crew’s involvement, insisting that transitioning both switches sequentially to the ‘cut-off’ position within 1s – as the inquiry states – would be “humanly impossible”. “Attributing such a catastrophic engine shutdown sequence to deliberate pilot action, while ignoring manufacturer-documented vulnerabilities, is unwarranted and unjust in the absence of incontrovertible evidence,” said the federation’s president, CS Randhawa, in a 16 July communication to the Indian ministry of civil aviation. It argues that a potential software fault or sensor anomaly could “simulate pilot action” and trigger an automated engine shutdown. The federation refers to the 787’s thrust-control malfunction accommodation (TCMA) system, which is designed to prevent uncommanded high-thrust activation while on the ground by reducing engine power. Although the federation uses an All Nippon Airways 787’s dual-engine shutdown after touchdown at Osaka to justify its concerns, the protective system is designed to activate only on the ground, under specific circumstances, with checks on air-ground status, engine speed and thrust-lever position. The ANA aircraft was also fitted with Rolls-Royce Trent 1000 engines, while the Air India 787 had GE Aerospace GEnx-1B powerplants. Boeing discovered a logic error in the GEnx-1B version of the TCMA system prior to the ANA occurrence, mentioned in an FAA document of September 2016. This stated that Boeing planned to address the error – limited to a “certain single failure” – by the end of 2018, implementing it into production aircraft and issuing retrofit instructions. While the Federation of Indian Pilots has offered little direct evidence that a software issue might have contributed to the Ahmedabad crash, it says the inquiry “must include all plausible failure paths” and avoid “premature attribution of motive or intent” until system malfunctions – including problems with the fuel-control switch locks – are “conclusively ruled out”. Last edited by Senior Pilot; 24th July 2025 at 02:04 . Reason: URLs again Subjects
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| Musician
December 24, 2025, 11:27:00 GMT permalink Post: 12010358 |
Hi @ all,
does someone has more information about the so-called 'Golden Chassis'? Does only Boeing has it or are there several of them, which are not owned by Boeing, worldwide available? How does this Chassis work and can the readout be counter-checked? And is it possible to manipulate them? Regards https://www.taxtmi.com/news?id=49252
Generally, data from damaged flight recorders is downloaded after sourcing Golden Chassis and relevant download cables from other accident investigation authorities.
In the current investigation, AAIB on Saturday said the Golden Chassis or the identical EAFR unit and download cables required to download data from EAFR were sourced from the US National Transport Safety Board (NTSB).
https://www.flightradar24.com/blog/a...-an-air-crash/
The crash-survivable memory unit (CSMU) is the most critical component, as it stores the valuable flight data. If necessary, specialists transfer data chips into a golden chassis, a specialized device that prevents further data loss while allowing a safe download. “We have in the laboratory every western-made flight recorder, ordered from the manufacturers with one simple modification: a modification that turns off any further writing of data,” Payne explained.
https://safetycompass.wordpress.com/...-recorder-lab/
[img alt="A shelf unit housing nearly every known type of flight data recorder. These surrogate recorders are known as 'Golden Chassis'."]https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1280x2000/recorders_copy_d214c286ab80e3503be1845ff4dd875d18f362b1.jpg[/img]
A shelf unit housing nearly every known type of flight data recorder. These surrogate recorders are known as “Golden Chassis”. I believe the French BEA have a similarly well-stocked store of flight recorders. Other agencies might, as well. Subjects
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| Pilot DAR
February 02, 2026, 13:32:00 GMT permalink Post: 12031086 |
that the left hand fuel control switch failed to remain in the RUN position two times and moved towards the CUTOFF position.
From post 166 of this thread:
Consider
this post
with a picture of the switches in question:
They must be lifted over the detent (if installed correctly) in each direction. Subjects
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| Musician
February 02, 2026, 18:15:00 GMT permalink Post: 12031256 |
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| buzzer90
February 02, 2026, 18:35:00 GMT permalink Post: 12031263 |
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| Ver5pen
February 02, 2026, 18:44:00 GMT permalink Post: 12031266 |
the same fleet operated by the same airline I still think intentional action is the most obvious explanation but that will never be 100% concrete without definitive evidence (a note or previous suicidal ideation) air India was hardly known to be a beacon of maintenance standards prior to their takeover by TATA and like a super carrier the ship takes a long time to turn around, their legacy fleet that they inherited was known to be particularly troubled. Google air india and spares and you\x92ll see they had a huge % of their fleet grounded for lack of support prior to TATA taking them over \x91Until pressed down slightly\x92 Thisraises my eyebrow at least. So they appear functional until externally interfered with? I imagine 787 drivers and certainly AI crew today manipulate the fuel cutoffs when doing engine start ever since 171, I certainly do on the Bus ever since this incident to make sure it\x92s seated properly. hence it was picked up this time but was it before? So a hand behind the TL or placing their hand back on or any other thing in that area that places pressure on those switches at the wrong moment. Wasn\x92t there an Atlas 767 that we speculate was lost because of an oversized watch (combined with sheer incompetence)? again, I reiterate the most likely explanation is pilot suicide but can we rule out everything else? Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and that goes both ways. Subjects
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| TURIN
February 02, 2026, 18:53:00 GMT permalink Post: 12031268 |
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| Consol
February 03, 2026, 21:04:00 GMT permalink Post: 12031842 |
Why is the second entry on the switch written in capitals and a different script in comparison to the first entry? Why would you write a generalized complaint about the aircraft veering to the left and then write up a very serious fault after? Subjects: None No recorded likes for this post (could be before pprune supported 'likes').Reply to this quoting this original post. You need to be logged in. Not available on closed threads. |
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