AAKEE
August 06, 2025, 16:44:00 GMT
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Originally Posted by Capn Bloggs

I cannot understand the almost paranoid desire to have all the information known about this prang spewed out by the investigators as soon as they get some. Why? What purpose would it serve apart from satisfying the apparently ghoulish desire of some?

We've got the preliminary report; hypothesise all you like but to expect more info is just being na\xefve.

Yes.

We have the preliminary. Lets hope the investigation people get the time and piece needed to produce a high quality report.

For that TV show I guess most people reading this thread will get no new facts.
For the speculation part I guess it is a higher risk of us sighing than hearing any news.

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Lonewolf_50
August 06, 2025, 17:23:00 GMT
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Originally Posted by Capn Bloggs

I think you make an assumption in your last sentence, which is one that I do not make based on the inputs provided.

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za9ra22
August 08, 2025, 13:11:00 GMT
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....What gets me, with the info I have available so far, is the reported delay in turning the fuel back on. This is a bit more striking given that the verbal challenge "why did you turn them off" got "I didn't" as a reply.
My experience with action slips is that "Ooh, sheet, moved the wrong thing, fix it!" is the more common reaction or behavior.

This strikes me as one of the most apposite of questions in this incident.

If we take it as read - which I do but some clearly don't - that the preliminary report contains all the pertinent details as known at the time it was written, then that delay is rather inexplicable. The absence of any reported further confrontation or verbal exchanges on the flight deck rather suggests the pilots were not sure what had happened.

Even if it is taken as read that one pilot was acting intentionally, unless their hand covered the switches - in which case surely there would be some audible action or demand by the other - it would not likely take that long to act and correct the problem.

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Musician
August 09, 2025, 07:15:00 GMT
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Originally Posted by Lookleft

What do you think? BTW they weren't relighting the engine. They were returning the fuel switch to the position that it should have been in.`

And that did relight the engines, as the preliminary report notes.

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Senior Pilot
September 23, 2025, 00:32:00 GMT
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Just FYI: Air India crash aftermath handled 'irresponsibly', says court

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7 hours ago | Faarea Masud | Business reporter
The highest court in India has strongly criticised the country's aviation authorities for their handling of the aftermath of the Air India plane crash that killed 261 people in June.

Leaving only one survivor , the flight bound for Gatwick airport from Ahmedabad crashed shortly after taking off, killing 242 passengers on board and 19 others on the ground.

The court said it was "irresponsible" for the aviation authority to suggest, through leaks to the media, that pilot error had caused the disaster.

It called on Indian prime minister Narendra Modi for the government's response before it rules on a case filed by activists demanding an independent investigation.

The court said the way the aviation body released its preliminary report in to the Boeing Dreamliner's crash was "selective and piecemeal".

The preliminary report, publishedby India's Aircraft Accident Investigation Bureau (AAIB) in July, said fuel supply to the engines was cut off just seconds after take-off.

The report also said one of the pilots was heard asking the other "why did he cut off" in a cockpit voice recording, with another pilot responding that he did not do so.

The recording doesn't clarify who said what. At the time of take-off, the co-pilot was flying the aircraft while the captain was monitoring.

But the findings of the report have been challenged by aviation safety group Safety Matters Foundation, which is calling for an independent investigation into the crash.

In a court hearing overseeing the aviation safety group's petition, one of India's Supreme Court judges said that suggestions that the pilots deliberately shut off fuel supply were "very unfortunate and irresponsible".

The crash has left many questioning the safety of India's airspace.

The chief of the Directorate General of Civil Aviation (DGAC) has defended the safety record of the country , telling the BBC in July that "India's skies have always been safe".

That same month, the DGCA uncovered 51 safety violations at Air India in the preceding year , as part of its annual audit of the country's airlines.

The families of four passengers who died on the plane filed a lawsuit in the US against planemaker Boeing and aircraft parts maker Honeywell, accusing the companies of negligence.

The lawsuit accused the companies of doing "nothing" despite being aware of the risks of the aircraft's design.

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AAKEE August 06, 2025, 16:44:00 GMT permalink Post: 11934272	Quote: Originally Posted by Capn Bloggs I cannot understand the almost paranoid desire to have all the information known about this prang spewed out by the investigators as soon as they get some. Why? What purpose would it serve apart from satisfying the apparently ghoulish desire of some? We've got the preliminary report; hypothesise all you like but to expect more info is just being na\xefve. Yes. We have the preliminary. Lets hope the investigation people get the time and piece needed to produce a high quality report. For that TV show I guess most people reading this thread will get no new facts. For the speculation part I guess it is a higher risk of us sighing than hearing any news. 1 user liked this post. Reply to this quoting this original post. You need to be logged in. Not available on closed threads.
Lonewolf_50 August 06, 2025, 17:23:00 GMT permalink Post: 11934301	Quote: Originally Posted by Capn Bloggs I cannot understand the almost paranoid desire to have all the information known about this prang spewed out by the investigators as soon as they get some. Why? What purpose would it serve apart from satisfying the apparently ghoulish desire of some? We've got the preliminary report; hypothesise all you like but to expect more info is just being na\xefve. As for That attitude is a bit of a worry coming from a professional pilot. I think you make an assumption in your last sentence, which is one that I do not make based on the inputs provided. Reply to this quoting this original post. You need to be logged in. Not available on closed threads.
za9ra22 August 08, 2025, 13:11:00 GMT permalink Post: 11935237	Quote: Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50 ....What gets me, with the info I have available so far, is the reported delay in turning the fuel back on. This is a bit more striking given that the verbal challenge "why did you turn them off" got "I didn't" as a reply. My experience with action slips is that "Ooh, sheet, moved the wrong thing, fix it!" is the more common reaction or behavior. This strikes me as one of the most apposite of questions in this incident. If we take it as read - which I do but some clearly don't - that the preliminary report contains all the pertinent details as known at the time it was written, then that delay is rather inexplicable. The absence of any reported further confrontation or verbal exchanges on the flight deck rather suggests the pilots were not sure what had happened. Even if it is taken as read that one pilot was acting intentionally, unless their hand covered the switches - in which case surely there would be some audible action or demand by the other - it would not likely take that long to act and correct the problem. 2 users liked this post. Reply to this quoting this original post. You need to be logged in. Not available on closed threads.
Musician August 09, 2025, 07:15:00 GMT permalink Post: 11935586	Quote: Originally Posted by Lookleft What do you think? BTW they weren't relighting the engine. They were returning the fuel switch to the position that it should have been in.` And that did relight the engines, as the preliminary report notes. 1 user liked this post. Reply to this quoting this original post. You need to be logged in. Not available on closed threads.
Senior Pilot September 23, 2025, 00:32:00 GMT permalink Post: 11958049	Just FYI: Air India crash aftermath handled 'irresponsibly', says court Quote: 7 hours ago \| Faarea Masud \| Business reporter The highest court in India has strongly criticised the country's aviation authorities for their handling of the aftermath of the Air India plane crash that killed 261 people in June. Leaving only one survivor , the flight bound for Gatwick airport from Ahmedabad crashed shortly after taking off, killing 242 passengers on board and 19 others on the ground. The court said it was "irresponsible" for the aviation authority to suggest, through leaks to the media, that pilot error had caused the disaster. It called on Indian prime minister Narendra Modi for the government's response before it rules on a case filed by activists demanding an independent investigation. The court said the way the aviation body released its preliminary report in to the Boeing Dreamliner's crash was "selective and piecemeal". The preliminary report, publishedby India's Aircraft Accident Investigation Bureau (AAIB) in July, said fuel supply to the engines was cut off just seconds after take-off. The report also said one of the pilots was heard asking the other "why did he cut off" in a cockpit voice recording, with another pilot responding that he did not do so. The recording doesn't clarify who said what. At the time of take-off, the co-pilot was flying the aircraft while the captain was monitoring. But the findings of the report have been challenged by aviation safety group Safety Matters Foundation, which is calling for an independent investigation into the crash. In a court hearing overseeing the aviation safety group's petition, one of India's Supreme Court judges said that suggestions that the pilots deliberately shut off fuel supply were "very unfortunate and irresponsible". The crash has left many questioning the safety of India's airspace. The chief of the Directorate General of Civil Aviation (DGAC) has defended the safety record of the country , telling the BBC in July that "India's skies have always been safe". That same month, the DGCA uncovered 51 safety violations at Air India in the preceding year , as part of its annual audit of the country's airlines. The families of four passengers who died on the plane filed a lawsuit in the US against planemaker Boeing and aircraft parts maker Honeywell, accusing the companies of negligence. The lawsuit accused the companies of doing "nothing" despite being aware of the risks of the aircraft's design. Last edited by T28B; 23rd September 2025 at 18:45 . Reason: formatting at the top Reply to this quoting this original post. You need to be logged in. Not available on closed threads.

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