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Propellerhead
2025-06-12T15:28:00 permalink Post: 11899339 |
Nonsense. Please don\x92t post things as fact that are just speculation.
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Iron Duck
2025-06-12T15:30:00 permalink Post: 11899343 |
Although the CCTV video is of unfortunately low resolution the trailing edge discontinuity between flaps and aileron can just about be seen on the port wing at about 3/4 span, just as it can in this video at around 54 seconds in:
Looking at the original video again the equivalent discontinuity is just about perceivable on both wings, so I was wrong at first and the flaps were not retracted. What appears to be the RAT quite possibly is; at that angle the nosewheel is completely hidden by the fuselage. 2 users liked this post. |
Golfss
2025-06-12T15:32:00 permalink Post: 11899347 |
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etrang
2025-06-12T15:32:00 permalink Post: 11899348 |
The entire flight from rotation to impact was 30 seconds. Is it even possible to complete an engine shutdown in that time?
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whatdoesthisbuttondo
2025-06-12T15:36:00 permalink Post: 11899358 |
I don't really understand why so many people have latched so hard onto the theory that the flaps were not extended based off nothing but a poor quality video (while also ignoring other clues in that same video, such as what is almost certainly the sound of a ram air turbine - never mind that even in that video you
can
equally conclude that the slats and flaps are extended).
One would think it sensible to at least wait for higher quality images/video to emerge before saying it with confidence, given how incredible the claim and aspersions being cast on the crews' basic competence and professionalism are. It\x92s then taking off heavy weight with 35c and the flaps have been raised and the gear is still down. As nobody realised the flaps had been raised instead of the gear when it happened they automatically think it\x92s some other issue as the aircraft loses lift and the amber band rapidly rises and the aircraft runs out of lift. could be something else like fuel or 2 engine failure but seems possible it\x92s an action slip also. I didn\x92t see the RAT deployed but saw the gear down still and an aircraft fall out of the sky with what sounded like engines running still. 1 user liked this post. |
L8ngtkite
2025-06-12T15:39:00 permalink Post: 11899361 |
AD compliance?
aviationweek.com/aerospace/aircraft-propulsion/faa-boeing-787s-need-be-powered-every-120-days
aviation.stackexchange.com/questions/14494/in-what-circumstances-could-a-787-stay-powered-on-continuously-for-248-days Loud bang heard by pax 11A suggests otherwise. (ie EFATO) but still\x85 Could It have been a compressor stall / flow reversal at the point of EEC shutdown? Loss of thrust on both engines? The odds are slim but would the RAT deploy in such a scenario? (or has the RAT deployment observation been debunked?) 1 user liked this post. |
Golfss
2025-06-12T15:39:00 permalink Post: 11899363 |
No the plane barely took off the runway, low power setting/bad flaps. Unless you are saying a double engine failure before take off but seriously how likely is that? It's much more plausible to mess up the take off settings we have seen it many times before. But I think we will find out soon, no need to speculate too much.
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ahmetdouas
2025-06-12T15:40:00 permalink Post: 11899366 |
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SloppyJoe
2025-06-12T15:44:00 permalink Post: 11899373 |
https://x.com/krok7517100/status/1933089931347345596
That very much sounds like the RAT is deployed as the aircraft goes by the camera. This is a higher quality video posted earlier. That is not two engines at TOGA and sounds incredibly like a RAT. I think most commenting about not hearing a RAT are watching the more widely shared low quality vid with very poor sound. 8 users liked this post. |
eagle21
2025-06-12T15:46:00 permalink Post: 11899378 |
The RAT appears out. Little asymmetry at any point. It has the ingredients of dual engine loss, whether from bids, electronic or human error reasons we will soon find out.
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Golfss
2025-06-12T15:46:00 permalink Post: 11899379 |
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ahmetdouas
2025-06-12T15:47:00 permalink Post: 11899380 |
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Golfss
2025-06-12T15:48:00 permalink Post: 11899382 |
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Golfss
2025-06-12T15:54:00 permalink Post: 11899392 |
https://x.com/krok7517100/status/193...aAO1gd-YMH21aQ
note: engines seem awfully quiet. RAT clearly audible 1 user liked this post. |
slacktide
2025-06-12T15:55:00 permalink Post: 11899396 |
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Arrowhead
2025-06-12T16:01:00 permalink Post: 11899406 |
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CW247
2025-06-12T16:04:00 permalink Post: 11899410 |
Deep breath... I wasn't convinced before, I am now. The RAT is definitely out guys. We are now potentially looking at a problem with the aircraft. Possibly a big one!
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KSINGH
2025-06-12T16:11:00 permalink Post: 11899417 |
B787-9 LDG gear retraction (That thread is illuminating in light of this loss for a number of reasons too) in the video/images seen it doesn\x92t appear that the gear doors are down, does this further indicate an AC power loss? (not sure if this applies to the entire 787 family though) |
Kerosine
2025-06-12T16:11:00 permalink Post: 11899418 |
Given the sound which clearly mimics the RAT, images and collective tech knowledge, what could lead to this symmetric loss of thrust/lift at 200ft?
Fuel supply/quality issues? |
barrymung
2025-06-12T16:13:00 permalink Post: 11899419 |
Ok, so...
Some have said the RAT appears to have been deployed. This would suggest a hydraulic/electrical failure on the plane. A hydraulic/electrical failure could well make it impossible to retract the gear immediately. But, what do flaps do in the event of a major hydraulic/electrical failure? Is there a default that they revert back to? We can, I think, rule out engine failure, at least single engine failure because the rudder is still straight on in the Video. You can also hear the engines.. |
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