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I really want to know/hear what information was contained within the Mayday call. Unedited.

Lots of loony speculation on this thread from people I really hope are not qualified Pilots (or qualified ANYTHING for that matter). Thankfully the mods are doing an excellent job and weeding them out ASAP.

PPrune Mods.

As a 787 Crewmember, this thread is unreadable and useless. This site used to be a great resource for professionals worldwide to share info, not anymore.

Please create 2 threads, one for those that have some relevant aviation knowledge to this event and another for the endless SLF questions.
PPrune could probably get more site traffic doing so.

Thank you, we appreciate being appreciated! It's been a bunch of work today....

Please feel free to start such a thread.

We are flat out trying to keep this one within reason, regardless of your feelings otherwise.

I\x92ve always assumed that a fair number of non-crew bloggers and journos use this site as a source to test theories before we see them in print.

I don't see a problem with questions and people of any level of qualification can provide factual information. Questions can be answered and misstatements can be corrected. That said, better quality input is always welcome, but at this stage we're not likely to get much professional or official input. I hope the Indian authorities are transparent here and I think it is likely we'll have plenty of data.

IMO the problem is the relentless comments by people that apparently think they will win something by cracking the case or "calling it first" or those that can look at some AI rendering of a blurry picture and conclude they know the flap settings. Or concluding that a likely cause for this crash was that both engine master switches were turned off.
Of course dual fuel cutoff is a remote but possible answer, but not one worth speculating about at this point let alone concluding that's what happened.

My sympathy (and empathy!) is entirely with the Mods - Like some, I have been here for almost 23 years watching these same types of uninformed contributions.

Easy does it, eh?…There are no workable methods to “create two parallel threads”.
If you want a free and open forum, just give the Mods a break, and set anyone who apparently doesn’t know their stuff but chooses to post their nonsense anyway, to Ignore.

That’s what that tool is for, and it keeps one’s own reading of serious and informed contributions within reason.
Q.E.D.?

PJ2

I wholeheartedly agree.

RIP. Very sad day.

Thank you to the mods for clearing out the junk. (I presume you do it for free?)

And this just highlights the difficult decision faced by moderators when trying to reduce noise on a thread because, without this additional supporting information , I too raised an eyebrow over the claim of hearing hundreds of RAT deployments.

NOT especially getting at you slacktide , indeed thanks for the followup and presenting your experience/reasoning, however, to assist everyone, including *relevant* background/support detail with one's post is to be encouraged! If you don't have this, or are just speculating from a position of little experience or knowledge, maybe the best contribution would be to sit on your hands for a bit and learn from others?

FP.

If you doubled my mod pay I'd get the same amount.

Thanks to @tdracer for the informed speculation.

Uninformed, speculation - such as 'the cloud of dust shows that it went off the runway' - we can do without.

Not every SLF account is guilty of thread pollution but it happens over and over again.
The worst posts are the ignorant answers from the flight sim (or ChatGPT) pseudo pilots.
I wish there was a "3 strikes rule" and folks would lose their posting privilege but that's probably too much work.

2 x ∞ = ∞ . Man, mods get paid well 😂🤭!!! (but seriously, thanks for what you do).

To date over the past 13 hours some 200+ posts have been Moderated out of the thread by 4/5 Mods, each of whom have read the whole thread and do their very best to leave only those posts pertinent to the discussion.

You and others can help if you see anything we miss by either replying with a correction, or Reporting the post for our attention.

Regards

This is nominally off-topic, being a thank you.

I haven't been on PPRuNe for well over a decade now. I stopped looking because I had the impression then that the moderators were overwhelmed, But I came on this morning to see what was so far known about the crash, and have been pleasantly surprised to find it comparatively so readable. So thank you moderators!

As to the perennial topic of who should be posting, which has been going on for at least a quarter century, it is not just professional pilots who know about aircraft accidents. Accident investigators do also. System engineers have important things to say. As do safety engineers - the kinds of people who perform the risk analyses of technical hazards for certification purposes. And some of us have developed accident and systems analysis techniques which have been adopted by major engineering companies. We can have useful things to say.

Good post.

Ive seen it happen in a previous (ground based) life fairly frequently (in relative terms) but exclusively during descent/approach. Usually the context would be expecting a flap call but when the gear call is made the flap handle is moved and quickly returned to the previous gated position followed immediately by gear selection, confirmed upon review of the data. To happen on takeoff would be most unusual, and although the CCTV footage is indicative of it being highly plausible, neither pieces of footage really show anything to draw any conclusions on. Certainly there may be numerous aspects to this, perhaps there was some catastrophic electrical failure that wasn\x92t of itself an immediate threat to the flight but the startle effect in the flight deck prompted other reactions. It\x92s impossible to know based off the information available. The human element will form a significant part of the investigation regardless of root cause(s).

Regarding the comments about who should be allowed to comment on such threads. I like the fact the mods have taken a pragmatic view of this. Theres a reason many in the accident investigation field come from an engineering background. Whilst highly experienced pilots are clearly crucial on an SME level, there can be a tendency for iwouldnthavedoneitthatway-itis. This can at times hinder investigations where an open mind free from confirmation bias is essential.

WSJ reporting black boxes recovered
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mods please delete if redundant

I logged in especially to reply to your post. Like you I joined pprune a long time ago (2008). My flying experience is extremely limited but my passion for aviation keeps me coming back here. I rarely interact because I don't have anything to add, I come hear to learn. However, it is extremely obvious to me ( after years of observation) that there are people posting opinions and interjections that are just choking up threads like this. I sincerely hope the moderators don't restrict access because of this.

If you go back a few pages, you'll have seen that, based on a few mod posts, your fears are groundless.

The Daily Telegraph has apparently put out a photo that is of the rear view of the aircraft, showing the TE flaps have a visible gap between the flap element and the wing, that is, the flaps are extended. If they were not, you get to see nothing. Int he gap, you can clearly see the fan exit of both engines.... ergo, the TE flaps are deployed. This same article then highlights this and exclaims that the flaps were retracted.

Is it safe to assume that the education standard of writers and editors of UK papers has been depleted somewhat?

Such comments are inflammatory to those that have lost family in this tragedy, and directly impugn the flight crew, and are factually, grossly wrong. This isn't just sloppy journalism, it is defamatory to those that cannot speak in their own defence. Sorry Mods, but someone needs to stand up for those that cannot against offensive drivel that passes for informed media commentary.

Here is a photo of the aircraft at the point that some numpties have stated the flaps are not employed. Apparently the authors should visit spec savers, or get a guide dog at least. At least, they get great blue coloured parking. In the same image, the RAT is observable.

The comments that are floated that some experts suggest that the crew may have not been able to get the gear up and may have retracted the flaps shows an utter lack of understanding of the certification basis of our aircraft. The flaps are out at a relevant TO flap extension setting for the conditions.

The same bastion of British broadsheets shows an image that is already on this thread, of a takeoff from mid field, while at the same time showing a still of the NE corner video near the RVR gauge east of the PAPI at the N end of the runway. One can only conclude that there is a dearth of good loo paper in the UK, and this standard of rigorous investigative reporting can be best applied to ones soft spots for personal hygiene. take 5 minutes out and do an triangulation from the point of observation, and surprise, the aircraft lifts off abeam the closed high speed taxiway. Not at the end of the runway, 1250 meters north of the DER. Taking ADSB data and not running a validation of it is mentally lazy and leads to hurtful assumptions that taking a slight amount of reasonable due care would have avoided.

rude letter follows...







https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...a-plane-crash/


This is interesting enough without dealing with the media who show once again the mental acuity and sharp insight of a bowling ball.