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SQUAWKIDENT
June 12, 2025, 20:26:00 GMT permalink Post: 11899696 |
I really want to know/hear what information was contained within the Mayday call. Unedited.
Lots of loony speculation on this thread from people I really hope are not qualified Pilots (or qualified ANYTHING for that matter). Thankfully the mods are doing an excellent job and weeding them out ASAP. |
WhatsaLizad?
June 12, 2025, 20:27:00 GMT permalink Post: 11899698 |
PPrune Mods.
As a 787 Crewmember, this thread is unreadable and useless. This site used to be a great resource for professionals worldwide to share info, not anymore. Please create 2 threads, one for those that have some relevant aviation knowledge to this event and another for the endless SLF questions. PPrune could probably get more site traffic doing so. |
Pilot DAR
June 12, 2025, 20:31:00 GMT permalink Post: 11899702 |
Thankfully the mods are doing an excellent job!
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Senior Pilot
June 12, 2025, 20:40:00 GMT permalink Post: 11899710 |
PPrune Mods.
As a 787 Crewmember, this thread is unreadable and useless. This site used to be a great resource for professionals worldwide to share info, not anymore. Please create 2 threads, one for those that have some relevant aviation knowledge to this event and another for the endless SLF questions. PPrune could probably get more site traffic doing so. We are flat out trying to keep this one within reason, regardless of your feelings otherwise. |
kap'n krunch
June 12, 2025, 20:43:00 GMT permalink Post: 11899715 |
PPrune Mods.
As a 787 Crewmember, this thread is unreadable and useless. This site used to be a great resource for professionals worldwide to share info, not anymore. Please create 2 threads, one for those that have some relevant aviation knowledge to this event and another for the endless SLF questions. PPrune could probably get more site traffic doing so. |
BrogulT
June 12, 2025, 21:22:00 GMT permalink Post: 11899748 |
IMO the problem is the relentless comments by people that apparently think they will win something by cracking the case or "calling it first" or those that can look at some AI rendering of a blurry picture and conclude they know the flap settings. Or concluding that a likely cause for this crash was that both engine master switches were turned off. Of course dual fuel cutoff is a remote but possible answer, but not one worth speculating about at this point let alone concluding that's what happened. Last edited by BrogulT; 12th June 2025 at 22:47 . |
PJ2
June 12, 2025, 21:32:00 GMT permalink Post: 11899756 |
PPrune Mods.
As a 787 Crewmember, this thread is unreadable and useless. This site used to be a great resource for professionals worldwide to share info, not anymore. Please create 2 threads, one for those that have some relevant aviation knowledge to this event and another for the endless SLF questions. PPrune could probably get more site traffic doing so. Easy does it, eh?…There are no workable methods to “create two parallel threads”. If you want a free and open forum, just give the Mods a break, and set anyone who apparently doesn’t know their stuff but chooses to post their nonsense anyway, to Ignore. That’s what that tool is for, and it keeps one’s own reading of serious and informed contributions within reason. Q.E.D.? PJ2 |
Professor Plum
June 12, 2025, 21:35:00 GMT permalink Post: 11899759 |
What a profoundly disappointing thread. In my days at the cutting edge, sometimes working the kinds of events which make big headlines here, we\x92d sometimes sit in the bar, on day four or five, seldom sooner as it was so full-on, and joke about the garbage being posted here, and by then in more-or-less full knowledge of the facts. I don\x92t have that inside line anymore but I still understand its nature, its scope, its precision, its clarity.
Ladies and gentlemen, get a hobby. Go fishing, read books, arrange flowers, spot birds, do crosswords. All of those things have some purpose and deliver some sense of achievement. What\x92s happening here is just puerile, pointless, conjecture. It\x92s ill-informed, if I\x92m kind, and importantly it\x92s hugely damaging to the many bereaved folk who ARE READING THIS THREAD in the hope of enlightenment, and whose night terrors may be filled with your ramblings. To them I apologise, on behalf of the industry. I\x92m sorry you have to be confused by these things. I am hopeful that the investigation team will have almost full comprehension in a few days, curtesy of the flight recorders. It would be wonderful if they shared it promptly, but I suspect we\x92ll wait at least two years, perhaps much more. For me, that\x92s the issue here, the investigatory world\x92s unwillingness to share facts. RIP. Very sad day. Thank you to the mods for clearing out the junk. (I presume you do it for free?) |
First_Principal
June 12, 2025, 22:07:00 GMT permalink Post: 11899780 |
... Specifically, I live in Lynnwood, Washington directly under the approach path for Paine Field's runway 34 Left, and I've been there since 2007. I lived in Mukilteo from 2000-2007, which is more next to the runway than under it... Boeing manufactures the 777 and 787 at Paine field....The RAT is deployed and tested during EVERY SINGLE first flight of every aircraft Boeing produces that has a RAT installed. And sometimes it requires a re-test on subsequent flights.
So yeah, I have heard a deployed RAT, from the ground, HUNDREDS of times. I've heard it while preflighting my airplane, I've heard it while mowing my lawn, I've heard while lying in bed. And this is exactly what they always sounds like.... NOT especially getting at you slacktide , indeed thanks for the followup and presenting your experience/reasoning, however, to assist everyone, including *relevant* background/support detail with one's post is to be encouraged! If you don't have this, or are just speculating from a position of little experience or knowledge, maybe the best contribution would be to sit on your hands for a bit and learn from others? FP. |
T28B
June 12, 2025, 22:17:00 GMT permalink Post: 11899784 |
![]() Thanks to @tdracer for the informed speculation. Uninformed, speculation - such as 'the cloud of dust shows that it went off the runway' - we can do without. |
VNee
June 12, 2025, 22:18:00 GMT permalink Post: 11899786 |
PPrune Mods.
As a 787 Crewmember, this thread is unreadable and useless. This site used to be a great resource for professionals worldwide to share info, not anymore. Please create 2 threads, one for those that have some relevant aviation knowledge to this event and another for the endless SLF questions. PPrune could probably get more site traffic doing so. The worst posts are the ignorant answers from the flight sim (or ChatGPT) pseudo pilots. ![]() |
hans brinker
June 13, 2025, 01:46:00 GMT permalink Post: 11899916 |
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Senior Pilot
June 13, 2025, 01:52:00 GMT permalink Post: 11899920 |
You and others can help if you see anything we miss by either replying with a correction, or Reporting the post for our attention. Regards |
PBL
June 13, 2025, 12:17:00 GMT permalink Post: 11900435 |
Thank you mods!
This is nominally off-topic, being a thank you.
I haven't been on PPRuNe for well over a decade now. I stopped looking because I had the impression then that the moderators were overwhelmed, But I came on this morning to see what was so far known about the crash, and have been pleasantly surprised to find it comparatively so readable. So thank you moderators! As to the perennial topic of who should be posting, which has been going on for at least a quarter century, it is not just professional pilots who know about aircraft accidents. Accident investigators do also. System engineers have important things to say. As do safety engineers - the kinds of people who perform the risk analyses of technical hazards for certification purposes. And some of us have developed accident and systems analysis techniques which have been adopted by major engineering companies. We can have useful things to say. |
Buster15
June 13, 2025, 12:25:00 GMT permalink Post: 11900450 |
This is nominally off-topic, being a thank you.
I haven't been on PPRuNe for well over a decade now. I stopped looking because I had the impression then that the moderators were overwhelmed, But I came on this morning to see what was so far known about the crash, and have been pleasantly surprised to find it comparatively so readable. So thank you moderators! As to the perennial topic of who should be posting, which has been going on for at least a quarter century, it is not just professional pilots who know about aircraft accidents. Accident investigators do also. System engineers have important things to say. As do safety engineers - the kinds of people who perform the risk analyses of technical hazards for certification purposes. And some of us have developed accident and systems analysis techniques which have been adopted by major engineering companies. We can have useful things to say. |
pug
June 13, 2025, 14:40:00 GMT permalink Post: 11900581 |
Regarding the comments about who should be allowed to comment on such threads. I like the fact the mods have taken a pragmatic view of this. Theres a reason many in the accident investigation field come from an engineering background. Whilst highly experienced pilots are clearly crucial on an SME level, there can be a tendency for iwouldnthavedoneitthatway-itis. This can at times hinder investigations where an open mind free from confirmation bias is essential. |
WillowRun 6-3
June 13, 2025, 17:14:00 GMT permalink Post: 11900706 |
WSJ reporting black boxes recovered
.... mods please delete if redundant |
AOB9
June 13, 2025, 18:08:00 GMT permalink Post: 11900765 |
I have followed this forum for years, as someone who has an engineering degree in aeronautics form a great school in Toulouse. I was a student when the Concorde was built, and had a chance to interact with the great teams who built it. I subsequently changed careers (went into IT), but never lost my passion for aviation.
I have seen all the calls over the years to close the forum to the non-professionals, and I personally plead with the administrators to not do it. I don't think I have posted anything more that once or twice, and it had to do with translations of French or such. And never on technical matters or theories about accidents. So please know that there are probably lots of folks like myself who enjoy learning from the pros without getting involved. And the information I get from the forum is so much better that the vast majority of "experts" that the information networks ask to explain accidents, can' even show pictures of the correct planes, etc etc. Thank you and keep up the good work! |
T28B
June 13, 2025, 18:13:00 GMT permalink Post: 11900771 |
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fdr
June 13, 2025, 21:54:00 GMT permalink Post: 11900950 |
The Daily Telegraph has apparently put out a photo that is of the rear view of the aircraft, showing the TE flaps have a visible gap between the flap element and the wing, that is, the flaps are extended. If they were not, you get to see nothing. Int he gap, you can clearly see the fan exit of both engines.... ergo, the TE flaps are deployed. This same article then highlights this and exclaims that the flaps were retracted.
Is it safe to assume that the education standard of writers and editors of UK papers has been depleted somewhat? Such comments are inflammatory to those that have lost family in this tragedy, and directly impugn the flight crew, and are factually, grossly wrong. This isn't just sloppy journalism, it is defamatory to those that cannot speak in their own defence. Sorry Mods, but someone needs to stand up for those that cannot against offensive drivel that passes for informed media commentary. Here is a photo of the aircraft at the point that some numpties have stated the flaps are not employed. Apparently the authors should visit spec savers, or get a guide dog at least. At least, they get great blue coloured parking. In the same image, the RAT is observable. The comments that are floated that some experts suggest that the crew may have not been able to get the gear up and may have retracted the flaps shows an utter lack of understanding of the certification basis of our aircraft. The flaps are out at a relevant TO flap extension setting for the conditions. The same bastion of British broadsheets shows an image that is already on this thread, of a takeoff from mid field, while at the same time showing a still of the NE corner video near the RVR gauge east of the PAPI at the N end of the runway. One can only conclude that there is a dearth of good loo paper in the UK, and this standard of rigorous investigative reporting can be best applied to ones soft spots for personal hygiene. take 5 minutes out and do an triangulation from the point of observation, and surprise, the aircraft lifts off abeam the closed high speed taxiway. Not at the end of the runway, 1250 meters north of the DER. Taking ADSB data and not running a validation of it is mentally lazy and leads to hurtful assumptions that taking a slight amount of reasonable due care would have avoided. rude letter follows... ![]() https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...a-plane-crash/ This is interesting enough without dealing with the media who show once again the mental acuity and sharp insight of a bowling ball. |