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andrasz
August 01, 2025, 19:52:00 GMT
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Air India AVH Editorial

Simon presented a very thorough analysis of events as known, and came up with a scenario that was not discussed here to my knowledge. I'm in no position to comment on the validity of the analysis and claims, but it certainly puts an interesting angle to the accident. As the AI thread is closed, I started a new one but perhaps the mods would permit a discussion limited to the new information/analysis on the old one to keep thinks in one place ?

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Pilot DAR
August 09, 2025, 11:22:00 GMT
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I think it's time for us to sit back and think, while we await new authoritative information. Moderators will consider for posting, new information which members might become aware of...

Stay tuned...

Pilot DAR

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Pilot DAR
December 02, 2025, 17:49:00 GMT
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We mods are entirely happy to keep a thread open, as long as the posts are productive, and the topic is not becoming a repetitive vortex. One really good way to prevent this, is before anyone posts their thought, read/search back through the thread to see if that thought has already been discussed, and perhaps put to rest. New posts, saying not really anything new ('cause it's been posted before) begin thread closing thinking among the moderator team. As any thread, this one will remain open, unless there seems to be a need to close it for quiet time....

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Someone Somewhere
January 26, 2026, 07:33:00 GMT
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I don't think we have any real evidence for intentional vs action slip. From what I've seen, the moderation has been light since the preliminary report came out showing the cutoff switches were used.

From what I've seen here, the consensus is somewhere around 70% intentional 30% action slip.

I agree that we're unlikely to ever know; several of the discussions around cockpit video recorders were kicked off by that.

Last edited by Someone Somewhere; 27th January 2026 at 05:02 .

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Musician
January 26, 2026, 10:22:00 GMT
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Here's the moderation standard:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pilot DAR

This statement has lots of merit.

Correct. And we're going to actively avoid getting near that theme in posts here. For reasons we can generally understand, the circumstances of this sad event have migrated away from being primarily aviation (the report does not suggest a defect with the airplane, and at least one pilot was obviously doing their very best). The report leads us into massive speculation territory, and outside the specialties of nearly all of us. None of us want to have PPRuNe become a source of information (correct, or otherwise) which may be used against a fellow pilot.

During a relaxing 36 hours away from the internet, away with Mrs. DAR, I reflected. I'm wondering to myself what this thread can continue to do [good] for we pilots, which it has not already done? It is now a repository of some good, and some less than good information. Are we contributing more to good outcomes for our industry by speculating, which theories may never be able to be validated?

Should we be closing this thread until something substantively new and authoritative can be added to the discussion? If keeping it open, what is served?

P.S.: After some very useful discussions, both with learned members of our group here, and some wise advisors outside this forum, I will take responsibility for now formally requesting of our members that future posts about this accident, or other [possible] intentional pilot act aviation crashes, not use the words: "suicide" nor "murder" at all - none, not at all, don't type the word.

A person may be described as "taking their own life" if that is a known intentional fact. For this event, the engines shutdown is not known to be a deliberate act. The two words now not to be used do have legal implications, and we're not going there. This is a pilot forum, not a legal forum. The accusation that a pilot intentionally shut down the two engines is not provable - it could have been a cockpit error. We may never know. It's time to stop talking this way.

I (and the other mods) are not going to go backward to sanitize what has gone before in these threads, it's just too much work, and trying to erase words is not really going to help. On the other hand, going forward, we're not going to perpetuate these words and theme.

If you have a genuine disagreement with me on this, I suppose I have to accept your PM on the topic. So far, I have replied every PM, out of courtesy. But I'd rather not explain again in a PM, what I have just explained here - 'cause that's all I've got. There's a line, we all know where it is, we're going to stay on the professional pilot peer side of it here - right?

So, as I have requested that these terms no longer be used, and I cannot imagine anything truly new to be discussed, I'm going to turn in, with the hope that posters might make the very bare minimum of meaningful posts, if any at all. No more questions about how the switches work, and speculated failure modes ('cause they've all been discussed far too much), no more medical speculation ('cause we have no facts, and this was a peer), and so on - you get the idea.... This, is moderation.

When a final report is released, we'll probably have more to discuss.

In the hours to come we mods will have given this all more thought, the thread may close - unless it does not have to.... please....

Pilot DAR,
One of your moderating team

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Bergerie1
January 26, 2026, 12:05:00 GMT
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Pilot DAR , Thank you for your very reasonable post regarding the moderators' position. I agree, and would go even further and suggest that this thread is closed until some new and authoritative information comes to light.

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FullWings
January 26, 2026, 15:37:00 GMT
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Pilot DAR , Than you for your very reasonable post regarding the moderators' position. I agree, and would go even further and suggest that this thread is closed until some new and authoritative information comes to light.

I see the point but this thread has also become useful when non-authoritative and potentially misleading information makes its way into the public domain via what many regard as reputable sources that are also widely read and quoted. Having SMEs who can explain the realities and point out inconsistencies and incorrect assumptions in what has been published is very useful.

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andrasz August 01, 2025, 19:52:00 GMT permalink Post: 11932024	Air India AVH Editorial Simon presented a very thorough analysis of events as known, and came up with a scenario that was not discussed here to my knowledge. I'm in no position to comment on the validity of the analysis and claims, but it certainly puts an interesting angle to the accident. As the AI thread is closed, I started a new one but perhaps the mods would permit a discussion limited to the new information/analysis on the old one to keep thinks in one place ? Subjects Thread Closure Thread Moderation Links are to this post in the relevant subject page so that this post can be seen in context. No recorded likes for this post (could be before pprune supported 'likes'). Reply to this quoting this original post. You need to be logged in. Not available on closed threads.
Pilot DAR August 09, 2025, 11:22:00 GMT permalink Post: 11935671	I think it's time for us to sit back and think, while we await new authoritative information. Moderators will consider for posting, new information which members might become aware of... Stay tuned... Pilot DAR Subjects Thread Moderation Links are to this post in the relevant subject page so that this post can be seen in context. No recorded likes for this post (could be before pprune supported 'likes'). Reply to this quoting this original post. You need to be logged in. Not available on closed threads.
Pilot DAR December 02, 2025, 17:49:00 GMT permalink Post: 11999292	We mods are entirely happy to keep a thread open, as long as the posts are productive, and the topic is not becoming a repetitive vortex. One really good way to prevent this, is before anyone posts their thought, read/search back through the thread to see if that thought has already been discussed, and perhaps put to rest. New posts, saying not really anything new ('cause it's been posted before) begin thread closing thinking among the moderator team. As any thread, this one will remain open, unless there seems to be a need to close it for quiet time.... Subjects Thread Moderation Links are to this post in the relevant subject page so that this post can be seen in context. 10 recorded likes for this post. Reply to this quoting this original post. You need to be logged in. Not available on closed threads.
Someone Somewhere January 26, 2026, 07:33:00 GMT permalink Post: 12027289	I don't think we have any real evidence for intentional vs action slip. From what I've seen, the moderation has been light since the preliminary report came out showing the cutoff switches were used. From what I've seen here, the consensus is somewhere around 70% intentional 30% action slip. I agree that we're unlikely to ever know; several of the discussions around cockpit video recorders were kicked off by that. Last edited by Someone Somewhere; 27th January 2026 at 05:02 . Subjects Action slip Fuel (All) Fuel Cutoff Switches Preliminary Report Thread Moderation Links are to this post in the relevant subject page so that this post can be seen in context. 1 recorded likes for this post. Reply to this quoting this original post. You need to be logged in. Not available on closed threads.
Musician January 26, 2026, 10:22:00 GMT permalink Post: 12027399	Here's the moderation standard: Quote: Originally Posted by Pilot DAR This statement has lots of merit. Correct. And we're going to actively avoid getting near that theme in posts here. For reasons we can generally understand, the circumstances of this sad event have migrated away from being primarily aviation (the report does not suggest a defect with the airplane, and at least one pilot was obviously doing their very best). The report leads us into massive speculation territory, and outside the specialties of nearly all of us. None of us want to have PPRuNe become a source of information (correct, or otherwise) which may be used against a fellow pilot. During a relaxing 36 hours away from the internet, away with Mrs. DAR, I reflected. I'm wondering to myself what this thread can continue to do [good] for we pilots, which it has not already done? It is now a repository of some good, and some less than good information. Are we contributing more to good outcomes for our industry by speculating, which theories may never be able to be validated? Should we be closing this thread until something substantively new and authoritative can be added to the discussion? If keeping it open, what is served? P.S.: After some very useful discussions, both with learned members of our group here, and some wise advisors outside this forum, I will take responsibility for now formally requesting of our members that future posts about this accident, or other [possible] intentional pilot act aviation crashes, not use the words: "suicide" nor "murder" at all - none, not at all, don't type the word. A person may be described as "taking their own life" if that is a known intentional fact. For this event, the engines shutdown is not known to be a deliberate act. The two words now not to be used do have legal implications, and we're not going there. This is a pilot forum, not a legal forum. The accusation that a pilot intentionally shut down the two engines is not provable - it could have been a cockpit error. We may never know. It's time to stop talking this way. I (and the other mods) are not going to go backward to sanitize what has gone before in these threads, it's just too much work, and trying to erase words is not really going to help. On the other hand, going forward, we're not going to perpetuate these words and theme. If you have a genuine disagreement with me on this, I suppose I have to accept your PM on the topic. So far, I have replied every PM, out of courtesy. But I'd rather not explain again in a PM, what I have just explained here - 'cause that's all I've got. There's a line, we all know where it is, we're going to stay on the professional pilot peer side of it here - right? So, as I have requested that these terms no longer be used, and I cannot imagine anything truly new to be discussed, I'm going to turn in, with the hope that posters might make the very bare minimum of meaningful posts, if any at all. No more questions about how the switches work, and speculated failure modes ('cause they've all been discussed far too much), no more medical speculation ('cause we have no facts, and this was a peer), and so on - you get the idea.... This, is moderation. When a final report is released, we'll probably have more to discuss. In the hours to come we mods will have given this all more thought, the thread may close - unless it does not have to.... please.... Pilot DAR, One of your moderating team Subjects Thread Moderation Links are to this post in the relevant subject page so that this post can be seen in context. 5 recorded likes for this post. Reply to this quoting this original post. You need to be logged in. Not available on closed threads.
Bergerie1 January 26, 2026, 12:05:00 GMT permalink Post: 12027448	Pilot DAR , Thank you for your very reasonable post regarding the moderators' position. I agree, and would go even further and suggest that this thread is closed until some new and authoritative information comes to light. Last edited by Bergerie1; 26th January 2026 at 16:10 . Subjects Thread Closure Thread Moderation Links are to this post in the relevant subject page so that this post can be seen in context. 1 recorded likes for this post. Reply to this quoting this original post. You need to be logged in. Not available on closed threads.
FullWings January 26, 2026, 15:37:00 GMT permalink Post: 12027539	Quote: Originally Posted by Bergerie1 Pilot DAR , Than you for your very reasonable post regarding the moderators' position. I agree, and would go even further and suggest that this thread is closed until some new and authoritative information comes to light. I see the point but this thread has also become useful when non-authoritative and potentially misleading information makes its way into the public domain via what many regard as reputable sources that are also widely read and quoted. Having SMEs who can explain the realities and point out inconsistencies and incorrect assumptions in what has been published is very useful. Subjects Thread Closure Thread Moderation Links are to this post in the relevant subject page so that this post can be seen in context. 9 recorded likes for this post. Reply to this quoting this original post. You need to be logged in. Not available on closed threads.

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