ATC Watcher
June 13, 2025, 07:59:00 GMT
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Quote:

Originally Posted by benjyyy

The pilot is being quoted as saying to ATC:

"Mayday...no thrust, losing power, unable to lift"

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Can you post the reference to this statement ? Where does it comes from ?

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ATC Watcher
June 13, 2025, 11:03:00 GMT
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Quote:

Originally Posted by DevX

"When the flight took off, within five to 10 seconds it felt like it was stuck in the air. Suddenly, the lights started flickering – green and white – then the plane rammed into some establishment that was there".

Not really consistent with flaps retraction assuming this statement is genuine , and if correct
Anyone here knows what " green flickering lights " in the cabin could be ?.emergency exit light?

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ATC Watcher
June 13, 2025, 22:06:00 GMT
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Originally Posted by CayleysCoachman

No. The investigation team will. \x91We\x92 might in 2028 perhaps. That\x92s the fundamental failing of Annex 13 and all who play by its rules now. It worked in 1980, just, but it\x92s totally unfit for purpose in 2025.

Just because everybody today wants immediate answers ?
l
Let investigators investigate , analyse and make recommendations in peace .But if there is a major technical flaw detected the aircraft type will be immediately grounded . In the next days not in 2028\x85
Annex 13 still works relatively well as a global standard .

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ATC Watcher
June 14, 2025, 18:03:00 GMT
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Quote:

Originally Posted by A0283

reported were India AAIB with support from NTSB, earlier report was about UK AAIB ref the 50 plus UK passengers, other report mentioned Boeing and GE supporting.

from the EASA statement yesterday :

Quote:

The investigation is being led by the Aircraft Accident Investigation Bureau (AAIB) of India in accordance with ICAO Annex 13. The U.S. National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) as the respective State of Design for the aircraft and engines is expected to participate

No mention of UK

Subjects AAIB (All) AAIB (India) AAIB (UK) Annex 13 ICAO NTSB

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ATC Watcher
August 06, 2025, 18:49:00 GMT
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Campbell Wilson CEO of Air India sent a long letter to all its customers about the safety of his airline , but with this piece of information

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(We did ....) detailed inspections of our fleet of Boeing 787-8 and 787-9 aircraft. Each aircraft underwent inspections under the oversight of India's aviation regulator, the DGCA (Directorate General of Civil Aviation), and we confirm that no issues were found during these inspections. As with some other international airlines, we also inspected the fuel control switch mechanism of Boeing 737 and 787-8 aircraft, likewise with no findings. We continue to work closely with regulators, maintaining full transparency and ensuring that every action we take aligns with the highest standards of safety and care.

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November 07, 2025, 20:52:00 GMT
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Originally Posted by Musician

t given this legal climate, I fear the AAIB might withhold the final report, as they're likely to get sued over it if they publish.

The preliminary did not blame the captain but suggested one of the pilots did shut down the engines without saying who it was and without commenting further. fueling all kind of wild theories.. This has upset a lot of people from the pilots families , but also the main Indian Pilots Association , especially since they now have to wait at least a year of so to get the truth unfold.
The worst part is that the AAIB has now lost the trust of the pilots , so whatever they write now will be suspected, and cooperation might suffer, but I do not think it will prevent them from publishing a final report..,

Subjects AAIB (All)

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December 06, 2025, 09:34:00 GMT
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From what I understood from a US staff ,( second hand) indeed the whole US delegation ( not only NTSB) and the AAIB started on the wrong foot from the very beginning . Not sure who started , but looks like personalities involved did not match; Some believed they would be treated as equals while the others wanted to be sure to lead ,then suspicions of having different motives came up , etc.. The "risk to staff" to transfer to Korwa was just an excuse to make a point. , because , as Asturias 56 said , bringing the recorders there was logic for the AAIB . Politically it was not ., hence the mess they are in now.

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ATC Watcher June 13, 2025, 07:59:00 GMT permalink Post: 11900080	Quote: Originally Posted by benjyyy The pilot is being quoted as saying to ATC: "Mayday...no thrust, losing power, unable to lift" . Can you post the reference to this statement ? Where does it comes from ? Subjects: None The thread is closed so there are no user likes are available and no reply is possible.
ATC Watcher June 13, 2025, 11:03:00 GMT permalink Post: 11900275	Quote: Originally Posted by DevX "When the flight took off, within five to 10 seconds it felt like it was stuck in the air. Suddenly, the lights started flickering – green and white – then the plane rammed into some establishment that was there". Not really consistent with flaps retraction assuming this statement is genuine , and if correct Anyone here knows what " green flickering lights " in the cabin could be ?.emergency exit light? Subjects: None The thread is closed so there are no user likes are available and no reply is possible.
ATC Watcher June 13, 2025, 22:06:00 GMT permalink Post: 11900907	Quote: Originally Posted by CayleysCoachman No. The investigation team will. \x91We\x92 might in 2028 perhaps. That\x92s the fundamental failing of Annex 13 and all who play by its rules now. It worked in 1980, just, but it\x92s totally unfit for purpose in 2025. Just because everybody today wants immediate answers ? l Let investigators investigate , analyse and make recommendations in peace .But if there is a major technical flaw detected the aircraft type will be immediately grounded . In the next days not in 2028\x85 Annex 13 still works relatively well as a global standard . Subjects Annex 13 Links are to this post in the relevant subject page so that this post can be seen in context. The thread is closed so there are no user likes are available and no reply is possible.
ATC Watcher June 14, 2025, 18:03:00 GMT permalink Post: 11901662	Quote: Originally Posted by A0283 reported were India AAIB with support from NTSB, earlier report was about UK AAIB ref the 50 plus UK passengers, other report mentioned Boeing and GE supporting. from the EASA statement yesterday : Quote: The investigation is being led by the Aircraft Accident Investigation Bureau (AAIB) of India in accordance with ICAO Annex 13. The U.S. National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) as the respective State of Design for the aircraft and engines is expected to participate No mention of UK Subjects AAIB (All) AAIB (India) AAIB (UK) Annex 13 ICAO NTSB Links are to this post in the relevant subject page so that this post can be seen in context. The thread is closed so there are no user likes are available and no reply is possible.
ATC Watcher August 06, 2025, 18:49:00 GMT permalink Post: 11934310	Campbell Wilson CEO of Air India sent a long letter to all its customers about the safety of his airline , but with this piece of information Quote: (We did ....) detailed inspections of our fleet of Boeing 787-8 and 787-9 aircraft. Each aircraft underwent inspections under the oversight of India's aviation regulator, the DGCA (Directorate General of Civil Aviation), and we confirm that no issues were found during these inspections. As with some other international airlines, we also inspected the fuel control switch mechanism of Boeing 737 and 787-8 aircraft, likewise with no findings. We continue to work closely with regulators, maintaining full transparency and ensuring that every action we take aligns with the highest standards of safety and care. Subjects DGCA Links are to this post in the relevant subject page so that this post can be seen in context. No recorded likes for this post (could be before pprune supported 'likes'). Reply to this quoting this original post. You need to be logged in. Not available on closed threads.
ATC Watcher November 07, 2025, 20:52:00 GMT permalink Post: 11984971	Quote: Originally Posted by Musician t given this legal climate, I fear the AAIB might withhold the final report, as they're likely to get sued over it if they publish. The preliminary did not blame the captain but suggested one of the pilots did shut down the engines without saying who it was and without commenting further. fueling all kind of wild theories.. This has upset a lot of people from the pilots families , but also the main Indian Pilots Association , especially since they now have to wait at least a year of so to get the truth unfold. The worst part is that the AAIB has now lost the trust of the pilots , so whatever they write now will be suspected, and cooperation might suffer, but I do not think it will prevent them from publishing a final report.., Subjects AAIB (All) Links are to this post in the relevant subject page so that this post can be seen in context. No recorded likes for this post (could be before pprune supported 'likes'). Reply to this quoting this original post. You need to be logged in. Not available on closed threads.
ATC Watcher December 06, 2025, 09:34:00 GMT permalink Post: 12001248	From what I understood from a US staff ,( second hand) indeed the whole US delegation ( not only NTSB) and the AAIB started on the wrong foot from the very beginning . Not sure who started , but looks like personalities involved did not match; Some believed they would be treated as equals while the others wanted to be sure to lead ,then suspicions of having different motives came up , etc.. The "risk to staff" to transfer to Korwa was just an excuse to make a point. , because , as Asturias 56 said , bringing the recorders there was logic for the AAIB . Politically it was not ., hence the mess they are in now. Subjects AAIB (All) NTSB Links are to this post in the relevant subject page so that this post can be seen in context. No recorded likes for this post (could be before pprune supported 'likes'). Reply to this quoting this original post. You need to be logged in. Not available on closed threads.

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