Posts by user "AirScotia" [Posts: 49 Total up-votes: 0 Pages: 3]

AirScotia
July 15, 2025, 17:45:00 GMT
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Post: 11923119
We're talking as if suicide is the only option. Extreme stress can make us do bizarre things and act in ways that are out of character, without anyone around us being aware we're close to that point of not-coping. Without knowing it ourselves, either.

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AirScotia
July 15, 2025, 21:03:00 GMT
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Post: 11923262
Originally Posted by Mr Optimistic
The authors of the report have access to the full cvr. They have chosen to only release a synopsis of one fragment. Who knows what the rest of the cvr discloses but the decision to release that one fragment must be to convey an understanding...they want it known.
So why did they give so much space to a discussion of SAIB NM-18-33? It's obvious that the switches were not faulty, or they'd have said. If they couldn't tell if the switches were faulty, they'd have said. They do tell us that the throttle control module was swapped out and there's been no problem with the switches. So they don't need to mention it. It doesn't read to me as a logical part of the preliminary report, but as something they were under pressure to include to imply that there may have been a technical problem rather than pilot malfunction.

Subjects (links are to this post in the relevant subject page so that this post can be seen in context): Preliminary Report  SAIB NM-18-33  Special Airworthiness Information Bulletin

AirScotia
July 16, 2025, 09:38:00 GMT
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Post: 11923580
Originally Posted by CaptainSAC
Not being a jet pilot. If you have the throttles at full power and the engines are set to cutoff, and they spool down, when you reset to run, will they start and go to full power, or do you have to set the throttles to idle first, then when started go back to full power..? and why don't you have to retard the throttle(s) to idle first, before you can shut the engine down..?
If you read the report, you'll see that the throttle was set to full power throughout, and the engines relit when set to RUN.

The. question about enforcing idle throttles before CUTOFF has been discussed voluminously on this thread.

Subjects (links are to this post in the relevant subject page so that this post can be seen in context): Fuel (All)  Fuel Cutoff Switches  RUN/CUTOFF

AirScotia
July 16, 2025, 12:17:00 GMT
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Post: 11923691
Originally Posted by Lord Farringdon

I'd much rather accept that we have a very few CPT Fruit Loop and FO Looney Tunes types out there who are intent on bringing the aircraft down but that the chances of being on a flight operated by them is extremely slim.
And you wonder why pilots don't come forward when they're feeling mentally not OK?

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AirScotia
July 16, 2025, 17:02:00 GMT
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Post: 11923857
Originally Posted by Nick H.
Could you comment on the phenomenon of taking a planeload of colleagues and passengers with you when you kill yourself? It's so easy to commit suicide alone at home without harming anyone else. That's what most suicidal people do.
There's no SOP.

Think how many people throw themselves under a train. For them, it's a solitary death, but they traumatise a driver, plus police and firefighters who have to inspect and remove the mess, and hundreds of shocked people on the train. The important thing is that there should be nobody around to stop them.

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AirScotia
July 17, 2025, 08:00:00 GMT
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Post: 11924200
The article does suggest that the voices have been identified, and that the FO was panicked by the action, and therefore unlikely to have been the one who cut the switches.

The US does have an interest in keeping blame away from Boeing, and are perhaps frustrated by the vagueness of the preliminary report, which was careful to include mention of an irrelevant Boeing advisory. The 'sources close' is standard for US media, and means they're pretty sure of their ground.

Subjects (links are to this post in the relevant subject page so that this post can be seen in context): Preliminary Report

AirScotia
July 17, 2025, 13:46:00 GMT
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Post: 11924417
Originally Posted by krismiler
If it was a suicide attempt, wouldn't the pilot responsible wait until the aircraft had got a bit higher before operating the fuel switches and follow it up with full forward stick ? At low level the outcome wouldn't have been in any doubt. Nose down would be instinctive to someone who wanted to crash and with the arms locked in the extended position it would be very difficult for the other pilot to override him.
This has been discussed.. If suicide, this is the only part of flight where the FDR will not identify which pilot is responsible. This may matter to the person for life insurance / reputation reasons.

I agree that it may have been a physical health issue causing momentary confusion. Or it may be related to medication. But I think it's hard to dispute that human fingers moved the switches.

Subjects (links are to this post in the relevant subject page so that this post can be seen in context): FDR  Fuel (All)  Fuel Cutoff Switches

AirScotia
July 17, 2025, 15:51:00 GMT
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Post: 11924482
Originally Posted by Icarus2001
Why is that then?
No need to use the yoke.

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AirScotia
July 17, 2025, 16:32:00 GMT
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Post: 11924514
Originally Posted by za9ra22
A pilot who can fly an aircraft around the world, operate it in however many situations he might face in the process, but doesn't know how the EAFRs work? Heavens above, we were talking about that in detail in the FIRST thread here before the smoke had cleared, and that involved people who don't know how to fly a passenger aircraft.
I think there was a fair bit of discussion as to whether the recorders would have anything to record, given the power failure. Even people who fly passenger planes weren't sure.

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