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AirScotia
July 15, 2025, 17:45:00 GMT permalink Post: 11923119 |
We're talking as if suicide is the only option. Extreme stress can make us do bizarre things and act in ways that are out of character, without anyone around us being aware we're close to that point of not-coping. Without knowing it ourselves, either.
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AirScotia
July 15, 2025, 21:03:00 GMT permalink Post: 11923262 |
So why did they give so much space to a discussion of SAIB NM-18-33? It's obvious that the switches were not faulty, or they'd have said. If they couldn't tell if the switches were faulty, they'd have said. They do tell us that the throttle control module was swapped out and there's been no problem with the switches. So they don't need to mention it. It doesn't read to me as a logical part of the preliminary report, but as something they were under pressure to include to imply that there may have been a technical problem rather than pilot malfunction.
Subjects (links are to this post in the relevant subject page so that this post can be seen in context): Preliminary Report SAIB NM-18-33 Special Airworthiness Information Bulletin |
AirScotia
July 16, 2025, 09:38:00 GMT permalink Post: 11923580 |
Not being a jet pilot. If you have the throttles at full power and the engines are set to cutoff, and they spool down, when you reset to run, will they start and go to full power, or do you have to set the throttles to idle first, then when started go back to full power..? and why don't you have to retard the throttle(s) to idle first, before you can shut the engine down..?
The. question about enforcing idle throttles before CUTOFF has been discussed voluminously on this thread. Subjects (links are to this post in the relevant subject page so that this post can be seen in context): Fuel (All) Fuel Cutoff Switches RUN/CUTOFF |
AirScotia
July 16, 2025, 12:17:00 GMT permalink Post: 11923691 |
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AirScotia
July 16, 2025, 17:02:00 GMT permalink Post: 11923857 |
Think how many people throw themselves under a train. For them, it's a solitary death, but they traumatise a driver, plus police and firefighters who have to inspect and remove the mess, and hundreds of shocked people on the train. The important thing is that there should be nobody around to stop them. Subjects: None |
AirScotia
July 17, 2025, 08:00:00 GMT permalink Post: 11924200 |
The article does suggest that the voices have been identified, and that the FO was panicked by the action, and therefore unlikely to have been the one who cut the switches.
The US does have an interest in keeping blame away from Boeing, and are perhaps frustrated by the vagueness of the preliminary report, which was careful to include mention of an irrelevant Boeing advisory. The 'sources close' is standard for US media, and means they're pretty sure of their ground. Subjects (links are to this post in the relevant subject page so that this post can be seen in context): Preliminary Report |
AirScotia
July 17, 2025, 13:46:00 GMT permalink Post: 11924417 |
If it was a suicide attempt, wouldn't the pilot responsible wait until the aircraft had got a bit higher before operating the fuel switches and follow it up with full forward stick ? At low level the outcome wouldn't have been in any doubt. Nose down would be instinctive to someone who wanted to crash and with the arms locked in the extended position it would be very difficult for the other pilot to override him.
I agree that it may have been a physical health issue causing momentary confusion. Or it may be related to medication. But I think it's hard to dispute that human fingers moved the switches. Subjects (links are to this post in the relevant subject page so that this post can be seen in context): FDR Fuel (All) Fuel Cutoff Switches |
AirScotia
July 17, 2025, 15:51:00 GMT permalink Post: 11924482 |
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AirScotia
July 17, 2025, 16:32:00 GMT permalink Post: 11924514 |
A pilot who can fly an aircraft around the world, operate it in however many situations he might face in the process, but doesn't know how the EAFRs work? Heavens above, we were talking about that in detail in the FIRST thread here before the smoke had cleared, and that involved people who don't know how to fly a passenger aircraft.
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