June 12, 2025, 11:52:00 GMT
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June 12, 2025, 15:43:00 GMT
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No idea what happens to a Dreamliner, but the A320 series can handle flaps instead of gear retraction
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June 12, 2025, 15:51:00 GMT
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Vishwash Kumar Ramesh, 40, spoke from the safety of a hospital bed after escaping from the fallen Gatwick-bound Flight 171 this morning.
The passenger, who was in seat 11A when the plane came down in a residential area, recalled: 'Thirty seconds after take-off, there was a loud noise and then the plane crashed. It all happened so quickly.'
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June 12, 2025, 16:11:00 GMT
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Vishwash Kumar Ramesh, 40, spoke from the safety of a hospital bed after escaping from the fallen Gatwick-bound Flight 171 this morning.
The passenger, who was in seat 11A when the plane came down in a residential area, recalled: 'Thirty seconds after take-off, there was a loud noise and then the plane crashed. It all happened so quickly.'
Also evidence for load shift, esp if combined with witness report...?
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June 12, 2025, 17:01:00 GMT
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June 13, 2025, 10:03:00 GMT
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One example of fuel contamination causing a significant loss of thrust on both engines at low altitude.
But it seems extremely unlikely for contaminated fuel to impact both engines at exactly the same time, with no asymmetry and no surges or smoke.
What can cause a sudden catastrophic loss of thrust on both engines at exactly the same time?
Birds (but no apparent surges)
Inadvertent movement of the fuel cut off switches (which would be an incredible error but I suppose it could conceivably be muscle memory having done so recently after the last leg…weirder things have happened. Remember the 767 events of the late 80s)
Intentional shutdown of the engines (pilot suicide has happened before)
Some catastrophic electrical/FADEC/engine interface failure (which I highly doubt is feasible in a modern 1309 aircraft)
I can’t think of any others…
I cant think of any reason for electrical failure and "no thrust" (as per statements) without any visual cues other than (a) suicide, or (b) starvation. Is there any electrical failure that can cause fuel valves to close? I dont fly Boeing, so can any Dreamliner driver explain what conditions could trigger an overspeed and auto engine shutdown (quote from Google below)? Would short runway, and hot/low QNH do it? Also, what happened to the order demanding a full power down/recycle every 51 days?
The EEC has build in protections to protect the engine. One of these protections is the Engine Overspeed Protection, when the core engine exceeds 120% the EEC shuts off the fuel to the applicable engine.
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June 13, 2025, 18:19:00 GMT
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