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BrogulT
2025-06-20T14:02:00 permalink Post: 11906995 |
I think that even if the DEL-AMD leg were flown totally empty for repositioning that it still would have been over MLW if it carried enough fuel for AMD-LGW. And we know from witnesses that the DEL-AMD leg was not empty. AMD is a regular stop for AI and has fuel, why would they tanker it in?
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BrogulT
2025-06-21T19:48:00 permalink Post: 11908009 |
30+ years of my experience as an aircraft engineer that forms a plausible (IMO) explanation of what may have happened.
That wing tank fuel could have picked up a fair amount of water. It is conceivable to me that the suction tube pickup could have been immersed in water, settled out from the fuel in the wing tanks. A supply likely heavily water contaminated. It would take a few seconds for that contaminated fuel to actually reach the engines, but when that contaminated fuel hit, Thrust would have been significantly reduced. The EEC's would have been doing their best to maintain the thrust, firewalling the throttles would probably have little effect at that exact moment. The engines would have likely worked through that bad fuel in a shortish period of time, but a period of time that our crew did not have. First, water in fuel is not a novel concept and I would presume that the designers of the 787 knew about it. You've simply stated that water might collect and settle out, but how much water might you expect under those conditions (57% humidity doesn't seem terribly high to me) and what features and procedures are already there to mitigage water contamination issues? Your theory would imply that there basically aren't any. IDK how the tank venting system works, but the idea that some huge amount of water could have condensed in the tank from the outside seems preposterous. Second, how much water do you think it would take to cause a sustained flameout in one of those engines? Remember that they have automatic continous relight, so you're going to have to sustain your flame suppression long enough for them to wind down completely. I think those engines were probably using something like 2 gallons per second of fuel along with 250lbs of air heated to over 1100F. Any fuel in the mix would burn and the water would be converted to steam so you'd need mostly water for a long time. So if you think a hundred gallons of water could have gotten into each tank then perhaps I'd buy your theory--which, btw, does fit the known facts pretty well. But I think that short of some woeful neglect, Boeing and AI already know about and have methods of dealing with water contamination. At least I hope so. Subjects: None 6 users liked this post. |
BrogulT
2025-06-21T20:48:00 permalink Post: 11908045 |
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BrogulT
2025-06-22T00:03:00 permalink Post: 11908164 |
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