DIBO
July 12, 2025, 11:55:00 GMT
permalink Post: 11920560

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sailvi767

In most international operations however the CA flies the first leg.

Totally irrelevant since Yesterday.
RTFPrelim...

Subjects: None

DIBO
July 13, 2025, 23:33:00 GMT
permalink Post: 11921776

authority gradient

Trying to read it all, don't think I saw this coming by

How would the (steep) authority gradient impact the sequence of critical events and associated timing?
Wouldn't the sequence of actions + timings be substantially different, depending on the critical mistake being discovered by the:

PIC/PM = instant recovery action (incl. expletives), assessing recovery, .... only then questioning FO's actions
FO = questioning PIC's actions.... assess response for a few seconds (physical/mental state).... only if clearly unsatisfactory, initiate critical recovery actions

For me the 2nd scenario it what matches best with the facts being presented.

Subjects (links are to this post in the relevant subject page so that this post can be seen in context): Authority Gradient

DIBO
July 15, 2025, 20:54:00 GMT
permalink Post: 11923252

Quote:

Originally Posted by Capt Scribble

"It is a cockpit voice recorder CVR not a mic recorder, I do believe

Incorrect, " The cockpit area audio and the three audio crew channels are recorded in both the forward and the aft installed EAFR recorders. " So 4 seperate audio channels recorded on the CVR function of the EAFR.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Optimistic

the investigators will know the mics

Given the degraded power state at that moment, the only mic powerd by the RISP will be the CAM, thus the only remaining channel being recorded on the CVR of the (forward only) EAFR. Some audio forensics will be needed to identify individual persons' words (in the final moments).

Subjects (links are to this post in the relevant subject page so that this post can be seen in context): CVR Cockpit Area Audio EAFR

DIBO July 12, 2025, 11:55:00 GMT permalink Post: 11920560	Quote: Originally Posted by Sailvi767 In most international operations however the CA flies the first leg. Totally irrelevant since Yesterday. RTFPrelim... Subjects: None
DIBO July 13, 2025, 23:33:00 GMT permalink Post: 11921776	authority gradient Trying to read it all, don't think I saw this coming by How would the (steep) authority gradient impact the sequence of critical events and associated timing? Wouldn't the sequence of actions + timings be substantially different, depending on the critical mistake being discovered by the: PIC/PM = instant recovery action (incl. expletives), assessing recovery, .... only then questioning FO's actions FO = questioning PIC's actions.... assess response for a few seconds (physical/mental state).... only if clearly unsatisfactory, initiate critical recovery actions For me the 2nd scenario it what matches best with the facts being presented. Subjects (links are to this post in the relevant subject page so that this post can be seen in context): Authority Gradient
DIBO July 15, 2025, 20:54:00 GMT permalink Post: 11923252	Quote: Originally Posted by Capt Scribble "It is a cockpit voice recorder CVR not a mic recorder, I do believe Incorrect, " The cockpit area audio and the three audio crew channels are recorded in both the forward and the aft installed EAFR recorders. " So 4 seperate audio channels recorded on the CVR function of the EAFR. Quote: Originally Posted by Mr Optimistic the investigators will know the mics Given the degraded power state at that moment, the only mic powerd by the RISP will be the CAM, thus the only remaining channel being recorded on the CVR of the (forward only) EAFR. Some audio forensics will be needed to identify individual persons' words (in the final moments). Subjects (links are to this post in the relevant subject page so that this post can be seen in context): CVR Cockpit Area Audio EAFR

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