June 13, 2025, 22:21:00 GMT
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June 13, 2025, 22:40:00 GMT
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There was an interview with Vish Ramesh, the sole survivor:
British man describes how he escaped Air India wreckage - BBC News
He looks in great shape, banged his eye though.
Misty.
British man describes how he escaped Air India wreckage - BBC News
He looks in great shape, banged his eye though.
Misty.
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June 13, 2025, 22:52:00 GMT
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I also wouldn't exclude the very likely chance that the survivor didn't actually hear a bang, but just remembers a bang as a way of their brain framing that moment they suddenly felt a wave of anxiety or panic. It's like those tom drums they add in movies when tension rises. It's playing on the exact mechanism in the brain.
I actually like these two hypotheses; reasonable, and I can fit it with my understanding of how gasses do gas things.
On 1. -- Close to the ground, you have a little bit of additional upwards lift effect; ground proximity effect of some kind. That could account for why they were able to get off the ground at all, even in the scenario they didn't have enough thrust to sustain a climb. They would also not immediately lose all velocity -- it would take a couple seconds for the kinetic energy (velocity) to be converted into potential energy (energy stored/used to maintain the fight against gravity). This is a fair approach to a hypothesis to me!
On 2. -- I don't have personal experience with this given I don't fly winged bananas with engines, but I can imagine such a mistake quickly leading to a situation where six things come together to go wrong before you even have time to grasp what just happened.
On 1. -- Close to the ground, you have a little bit of additional upwards lift effect; ground proximity effect of some kind. That could account for why they were able to get off the ground at all, even in the scenario they didn't have enough thrust to sustain a climb. They would also not immediately lose all velocity -- it would take a couple seconds for the kinetic energy (velocity) to be converted into potential energy (energy stored/used to maintain the fight against gravity). This is a fair approach to a hypothesis to me!
On 2. -- I don't have personal experience with this given I don't fly winged bananas with engines, but I can imagine such a mistake quickly leading to a situation where six things come together to go wrong before you even have time to grasp what just happened.
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June 14, 2025, 14:16:00 GMT
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Maybe the person filming had seen the a/c doing something unusual and grabbed their phone to film?
Misty.
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June 15, 2025, 12:09:00 GMT
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Misty.
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June 15, 2025, 13:00:00 GMT
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June 15, 2025, 13:13:00 GMT
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Aviate: The aeroplane has decided it doesn\x92t want to do that any more.
Navigate: Not many options on where to go.
Communicate: May as well let people know it\x92s going to be a bad day and to get there ASAP.
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June 15, 2025, 14:06:00 GMT
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June 15, 2025, 14:27:00 GMT
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A little bit tangential here, thinking about this Mayday call (the exact contents of which haven't been verified, but have been variously reported as "no power", or "lost power" ) , if in front of you on the PFD, in large red letters, you have the words ENG FAIL, why would you say, "no power"? Seems a bit strange. Why not say "engine failure" or "no thrust"?
Could it be that "No power" may have meant the whole cockpit went dark? ie. A total electrical failure or huge short (survivor's bang) initiating RAT deployment and apu autostart. Doesn't explain loss of thrust explicitly but if there was a massive electrical issue, and critical data was lost (thinking air/ground switch position and other fundamentals), would dual engine shutdown be a possibility? Simultaneous FADEC failure? Exceptionally remote possibility perhaps, but by definition these accidents are exceptionally remote. If the RAT deployed we know there was definitely an electrical issue - how bad was it, though? Thinking about the possibility of an electrical failure causing an engine (and instrumentation) failure rather than the other way around. Over to the experts on this.
Could it be that "No power" may have meant the whole cockpit went dark? ie. A total electrical failure or huge short (survivor's bang) initiating RAT deployment and apu autostart. Doesn't explain loss of thrust explicitly but if there was a massive electrical issue, and critical data was lost (thinking air/ground switch position and other fundamentals), would dual engine shutdown be a possibility? Simultaneous FADEC failure? Exceptionally remote possibility perhaps, but by definition these accidents are exceptionally remote. If the RAT deployed we know there was definitely an electrical issue - how bad was it, though? Thinking about the possibility of an electrical failure causing an engine (and instrumentation) failure rather than the other way around. Over to the experts on this.
Misty.
Subjects (links are to this post in the relevant subject page so that this post can be seen in context): Dual Engine Failure Electrical Failure Engine Failure (All) Engine Shutdown FADEC MAYDAY RAT (All) RAT (Deployment)