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EXDAC
2025-06-20T17:12:00 permalink Post: 11907144 |
tdracer posted - "
Commanded engine cutoff - the aisle stand fuel switch sends electrical signals to the spar valve and the "High Pressure Shutoff Valve" (HPSOV) in the Fuel Metering Unit, commanding them to open/close using aircraft power. The HPSOV is solenoid controlled, and near instantaneous. The solenoid is of a 'locking' type that needs to be powered both ways (for obvious reasons, you wouldn't want a loss of electrical power to shut down the engine). The fire handle does the same thing, via different electrical paths (i.e. separate wiring)."
Search this thread for "HPSOV" if you need confirmation of the quote. Note there are two shut off fuel valves per engine - the HPSOV and the Spar valve. Both stay where they are if power is lost. Subjects: Fuel (All) Fuel Cutoff High Pressure Shutoff Valve 8 users liked this post. |
EXDAC
2025-06-20T23:51:00 permalink Post: 11907396 |
Wouldn't "fail safe open" imply that the valves would open on loss of control signals or power. They don't. They stay just where they were before loss of power or control signal. If I understood tdracer's description of the HPSOV it can only be open or closed. That's not true of the spar valves which are motor driven and can stop in any intermediate position if power is lost.
The only way this is relevant to the accident is if the shut off valves had been commanded closed and then power had been lost. The valves would not open. Subjects: Fuel (All) Fuel Cutoff High Pressure Shutoff Valve 3 users liked this post. |
EXDAC
2025-06-21T13:01:00 permalink Post: 11907727 |
Without going round the hamsterwheel again does anyone have an actual reference for this? Because I've gone back through each of tdracer's very informative posts about this
see here
and there is a discrepancy in the two points he makes below in adjacent posts. Is tdracer talking about the same HPSOV valves? Can anyone confirm that with both AC power loss and and a temporary DC power loss there are no critical engine related shutoff valves that will fail safe (unpowered) in a closed position?
Hopefully tdracer will provide more detail if/when he re-joins the discussion. Subjects: High Pressure Shutoff Valve |
EXDAC
2025-06-28T15:54:00 permalink Post: 11912544 |
It's not clear to me that 787 EAFR even requires an external DFDAU. The GE EAFR does not - "Provides Flight Data Acquisition function of ARINC 664 p7 data parameters – No need for a Digital Flight Data Acquisition Unit (DFDAU)." ref https://www.geaerospace.com/sites/de...rder-3254F.pdf Subjects: ARINC Digital Flight Data Acquisition Unit EAFR Parameters 1 user liked this post. |
EXDAC
2025-06-28T18:53:00 permalink Post: 11912625 |
FAA requirements and the discussion/changes that resulted from the initial NPRM here - https://www.federalregister.gov/docu...er-regulations Subjects: CVR FAA Parameters RIPS 1 user liked this post. |
EXDAC
2025-06-28T19:40:00 permalink Post: 11912643 |
"The front panel contains one connector, J1, and a grounding stud. • J1 provides the main EAFR power supply, Aircraft Data Network, Ethernet Channels A and B, analog audio input, input and output discretes, and other miscellaneous signals." If RIPS is external and the GE EAFD only has a "main power supply" pin then I agree it seems likely that the flight data function is powered by RIPS. For RIPS to power only the CVR function I would have expected to see separate main power and RIPS power input pins. I could not find any data except the two page marketing brochure which is not definitive. 3 users liked this post. |
EXDAC
2025-07-01T03:35:00 permalink Post: 11914005 |
So, 13:1 is equivalent to 4.4 degrees. Subjects: Lift/Drag Ratio 1 user liked this post. |