Good Business Sense
2025-06-12T18:16:00
permalink Post: 11899563

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Originally Posted by Sriajuda

You have heard AC with the RAT deployed HUNDREDS of times? The RAT is a last resort, when all other power sources have failed. All engines, the APU and (possibly) batteries on AC as the 787. Yet you have heard hundreds of RAT deployments passing overhead? Yeah, sure.

Yep, total rubbish - 45 years airline flying - deployed it only once and never saw it anywhere else.

Subjects: APU RAT (All) RAT (Deployment)

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Good Business Sense
2025-06-12T18:21:00
permalink Post: 11899570

Don't know the TODA, TORA set up there but don't forget aircraft performance is to hit a 35 foot screen height and the use of reduced thrust means it will be at the very, very end of the runway - it's what's done almost every take-off of a jet to preserve engine performance

Subjects: None

Good Business Sense
2025-06-13T06:07:00
permalink Post: 11900032

Couldn't agree more - never understood this - got to say, calling a mayday seconds into an event (particularly when still down in the dirt) does my head in - nobody is coming up to help. I think you need to keep the focus completely on the task at hand. In an emergency, external distractions destroy checklist SOPs, crew coordination etc etc - I try and keep ATC, company maintenance, etc etc disruptions out of the cockpit until everything is under control.

Subjects: Mayday

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Good Business Sense
2025-06-13T06:17:00
permalink Post: 11900050

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Originally Posted by Icarus2001

No, no, no and again no.

This is a transport category aircraft. It will happily climb on one engine to a safe altitude where procedures are followed.

There is zero evidence of any engine "failures" or shutdowns by the crew.

However the gear is still down at around 500' agl.

Can I just strongly agree add a bit more ....... no, no, no

Subjects: Gear Retraction

Good Business Sense
2025-06-20T17:26:00
permalink Post: 11907148

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shep69

That\x92s what got me headed down the low altitude capture route. While the mind does really strange things post traumatic event \x97 and memory and recollection are greatly affected by it \x97 if true it means that thrust was lost but the engines stayed lit.

There may have been other electrical and systems malfunctioning. But if whatever happened, let\x92s say the auto throttle simply pulled power to idle \x97or a low power setting\x97at a critical time. Perhaps on its own perhaps with other systems failures.

We like to think it basic that we\x92d slam the throttles forward. Right away.

But Asiana didn\x92t.

And neither did Air Florida years ago.

I think you could be right - I've been thinking for some time that we may have had another similar incident - the Dubai incident was also an example, i.e. when nothing happened after pressing a button nobody took manual control - been getting worse over the last 25 years or so, i.e. people not taking control manually (assuming it's possible) when they don't get what they want or expect from the systems.

I guess we'll get some info soon

Subjects: None

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Good Business Sense 2025-06-12T18:16:00 permalink Post: 11899563	Quote: Originally Posted by Sriajuda You have heard AC with the RAT deployed HUNDREDS of times? The RAT is a last resort, when all other power sources have failed. All engines, the APU and (possibly) batteries on AC as the 787. Yet you have heard hundreds of RAT deployments passing overhead? Yeah, sure. Yep, total rubbish - 45 years airline flying - deployed it only once and never saw it anywhere else. Subjects: APU RAT (All) RAT (Deployment) 8 users liked this post.
Good Business Sense 2025-06-12T18:21:00 permalink Post: 11899570	Don't know the TODA, TORA set up there but don't forget aircraft performance is to hit a 35 foot screen height and the use of reduced thrust means it will be at the very, very end of the runway - it's what's done almost every take-off of a jet to preserve engine performance Subjects: None
Good Business Sense 2025-06-13T06:07:00 permalink Post: 11900032	Couldn't agree more - never understood this - got to say, calling a mayday seconds into an event (particularly when still down in the dirt) does my head in - nobody is coming up to help. I think you need to keep the focus completely on the task at hand. In an emergency, external distractions destroy checklist SOPs, crew coordination etc etc - I try and keep ATC, company maintenance, etc etc disruptions out of the cockpit until everything is under control. Subjects: Mayday 1 user liked this post.
Good Business Sense 2025-06-13T06:17:00 permalink Post: 11900050	Quote: Originally Posted by Icarus2001 No, no, no and again no. This is a transport category aircraft. It will happily climb on one engine to a safe altitude where procedures are followed. There is zero evidence of any engine "failures" or shutdowns by the crew. However the gear is still down at around 500' agl. Can I just strongly agree add a bit more ....... no, no, no Subjects: Gear Retraction
Good Business Sense 2025-06-20T17:26:00 permalink Post: 11907148	Quote: Originally Posted by Shep69 That\x92s what got me headed down the low altitude capture route. While the mind does really strange things post traumatic event \x97 and memory and recollection are greatly affected by it \x97 if true it means that thrust was lost but the engines stayed lit. There may have been other electrical and systems malfunctioning. But if whatever happened, let\x92s say the auto throttle simply pulled power to idle \x97or a low power setting\x97at a critical time. Perhaps on its own perhaps with other systems failures. We like to think it basic that we\x92d slam the throttles forward. Right away. But Asiana didn\x92t. And neither did Air Florida years ago. I think you could be right - I've been thinking for some time that we may have had another similar incident - the Dubai incident was also an example, i.e. when nothing happened after pressing a button nobody took manual control - been getting worse over the last 25 years or so, i.e. people not taking control manually (assuming it's possible) when they don't get what they want or expect from the systems. I guess we'll get some info soon Subjects: None 3 users liked this post.

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