Posts by user "Good Business Sense" [Posts: 11 Total up-votes: 0 Pages: 1]

Yep, total rubbish - 45 years airline flying - deployed it only once and never saw it anywhere else.

Don't know the TODA, TORA set up there but don't forget aircraft performance is to hit a 35 foot screen height and the use of reduced thrust means it will be at the very, very end of the runway - it's what's done almost every take-off of a jet to preserve engine performance

Couldn't agree more - never understood this - got to say, calling a mayday seconds into an event (particularly when still down in the dirt) does my head in - nobody is coming up to help. I think you need to keep the focus completely on the task at hand. In an emergency, external distractions destroy checklist SOPs, crew coordination etc etc - I try and keep ATC, company maintenance, etc etc disruptions out of the cockpit until everything is under control.

Can I just strongly agree add a bit more ....... no, no, no

I think you could be right - I've been thinking for some time that we may have had another similar incident - the Dubai incident was also an example, i.e. when nothing happened after pressing a button nobody took manual control - been getting worse over the last 25 years or so, i.e. people not taking control manually (assuming it's possible) when they don't get what they want or expect from the systems.

I guess we'll get some info soon

Agreed - our ex. colleagues facebook group of some 200 ex heavy guys thought that, perhaps, it was to shift the blame. The investigators only know the switches were set to off then on and who said what but not who did what.

If the FO was flying he would be rotating to a target climb out pitch / following FDs and probably glancing out too and he'd certainly be busy, probably too busy to see the Captain move the switches and his first indication would be a deceleration together with the EICAS/ECAM displaying dozens of warnings with associated audio ......can't imaging the FO, whilst flying, turned to the left and shutdown both engines and the Captain never saw it or intervened .... doing all this as he pretty much as he rotated. If I was in the left seat I would have caught the FO's arm before he touched a switch. The transcript, actual words and voice tones will be very illuminating and, of course, we may have more surprises to come.

Yeh, about 10,000 hours on both it was a general comment for those not familiar - can't remember on old Boeings and Douglas aircraft but it was the CAWP on Lockheeds - also and can't remember on the other dozen types - important stuff, this but the names don't matter, it's the "warning panel", if you like.

You're just checking ! I would expect your comment from a low timer - good luck

Yep, it's the consensus of many. They know the switches went off then on, they know what each crew member said (perhaps) but they don't know who did the switching ....... no doubt more surprises on the way

Good advice when talking into a mirror - what it's got to do with EICAS v ECAM I don't know but it does explain why you were "checking" - good luck

Could be - we have a group of some 200 or so oldies ex. airline who had a thrash at this subject this morning - if you know how the system works (FDR, CVR, accident investigation, etc.) you could suggest that you could manipulate the scenario and that it would be hard to prove who actually did it. The transcripts with the actual words, tones and emotions could well point to who did it but could it be proved?