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Lord Bracken
June 12, 2025, 17:34:00 GMT permalink Post: 11899519 |
Many years ago when Fly By Wire was first being installed into aircraft they would show these amazing test flights where a pilot would pull back the throttles, raise the nose to try and stall the aircraft and the FBW system would lower the nose, add back in the power and keep the aircraft in controlled flight. That for me (an uneducated layman) was the point in FBW. It was safer than a pilot alone.
How is it then that a modern FBW aircraft can allow itself to be placed into a low, slow and high AOA profile which inevitably leads to a crash and appears to to nothing? I would have expected that the systems would have deployed anything needed, retract anything not needed or at least push the nose down? 2. No FBW can overcome the laws of physics. Subjects (links are to this post in the relevant subject page so that this post can be seen in context): FBW |
Lord Bracken
June 14, 2025, 08:25:00 GMT permalink Post: 11901248 |
Regarding the sound believed to be the RAT: Some people suggest that the sound might come from the street, not the plane. I'd say the apparent doppler effect heard would indicate otherwise. It would be interesting to do a spectral analysis to check if the frequency drop is indeed compatible with the expected doppler effect. I wouldn't be surprised if several readers have the software and know-how to perform a simple analysis.
Occam\x92s Razor is in play here. Subjects (links are to this post in the relevant subject page so that this post can be seen in context): RAT (All) |
Lord Bracken
June 15, 2025, 12:22:00 GMT permalink Post: 11902423 |
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Lord Bracken
June 16, 2025, 09:24:00 GMT permalink Post: 11903304 |
Subjects (links are to this post in the relevant subject page so that this post can be seen in context): AAIB (All) |
Lord Bracken
June 16, 2025, 09:34:00 GMT permalink Post: 11903315 |
Quick example, EK 521 accident in DXB:
1.11 Flight Recorders The Aircraft was equipped with a Honeywell sold-state flight data recorder (SSFDR) and an L-3 Communication cockpit voice recorder (CVR). Both flight recorders were found mounted in their original locations on the Aircraft, with external signs of prolonged exposure to elevated temperatures. However, temperature indicators within each crash-survivable memory unit indicated that the memory components themselves had not been exposed to significantly elevated temperatures. The flight recorders were sent to the Air Accidents Investigation Branch (AAIB) facility in the United Kingdom for data retrieval in the presence of the Investigation Committee.
1.11. Flight Recorders 1.11.1. The aircraft was equipped with solid-state DFDR and solid-state CVR. DFDR and CVR were recovered from the accident site and taken to BEA, France by Investigator In-charge (IIC) from AAIB, Pakistan on 1st June, 2020. Despite having crash and heat effects, both recorders were successfully downloaded by BEA experts.
Subjects (links are to this post in the relevant subject page so that this post can be seen in context): AAIB (All) AAIB (India) CVR DFDR EAFR Honeywell NTSB |
Lord Bracken
June 17, 2025, 18:13:00 GMT permalink Post: 11904527 |
Absolutely. This confidence that the EAFR has already been read is misplaced. It\x92s a specialist piece of equipment and probably can\x92t even be downloaded in India. It\x92s most likely on its way to the NTSB, the BEA or the AAIB (UK) for analysis which will be done under strict conditions (for obvious reasons).
Subjects (links are to this post in the relevant subject page so that this post can be seen in context): AAIB (All) EAFR NTSB |
Lord Bracken
June 17, 2025, 19:24:00 GMT permalink Post: 11904584 |
I was referring to CVR/FDRs in general being specialist equipment requiring specialist facilities to process. In any case, I would be very interested to find out where those from this accident are read. It appears from a post upthread there are new facilities in New Dehli that could be used. Having said that, for the EK 521 accident in Dubai the recorders were sent to the UK for analysis, despite a "flight data recorder centre" in Abu Dhabi being opened (again with much fanfare) by the UAE GCAA five years before the occurrence.
Subjects (links are to this post in the relevant subject page so that this post can be seen in context): CVR FDR |
Lord Bracken
June 17, 2025, 20:24:00 GMT permalink Post: 11904626 |
I have no misgivings, I\x92m just challenging the assertion that because the recorders have been found, they have already been read. There\x92s any number of reasons why they may not have been read yet, in India or anywhere else.
Subjects (links are to this post in the relevant subject page so that this post can be seen in context): AAIB (All) AAIB (India) CVR EAFR FDR |
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