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| ManaAdaSystem
June 12, 2025, 10:59:00 GMT permalink Post: 11899065 |
Landing gear down when the aircraft struggles to climb is a key factor in this accident. It points to a \xabgear up\xbb but flaps incorrectly selected up instead. It has happened before several times, but without tragic results.
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| ManaAdaSystem
June 12, 2025, 14:59:00 GMT permalink Post: 11899300 |
A mayday call will normally contain information about the nature of the emergency.
The flaps instead of gear is based on the landing gear being down throughout the whole emergency. It\x92s just weird. I get that it may be overlooked in a stressful situation, but when they had time for a mayday call? So, someone said the 747 will have an early thrust reduction if you retract flaps too early, is this also the case with the 787? Subjects (links are to this post in the relevant subject page so that this post can be seen in context): MAYDAY |
| ManaAdaSystem
June 13, 2025, 14:47:00 GMT permalink Post: 11900588 |
Emirates nearly crashed a fully functional B-777 on takeoff because of a incorrect altitude set on the FCU. 4 pilots in the cockpit. Emirates crashed a fully functional B-777 on go around because none of the pilots saw the thrust levers move to idle.
Anything is possible. To mix up flaps and gear has little to do with where the levers are. I have that happen to me on the 737 NG. Thankfully, that wing is very forgiving and I just lowered the pitch and kept flying. A mix up in this case looks less likely, but an incorrect set up of the FCU is a possibility. As well as almost any thinkable or unthinkable cause. Two engines stopping at the exact same time with no yaw? Not very likely. Birdstrike is normally a messy event. Contaminated fuel? No other aircraft affected. Subjects: None |
| ManaAdaSystem
June 15, 2025, 19:59:00 GMT permalink Post: 11902779 |
Regarding the flashing green and white lights. On Airbus aircraft the emergency exit lights come on when the gear is down, and goes out when the gear is raised. Is this also the case on the 787?
if so, if the gear is/stays in transit (as the gear tilt may suggest) can this make the exit lights cycle on and off? Just a thought. Subjects: None |
| ManaAdaSystem
June 19, 2025, 12:53:00 GMT permalink Post: 11905998 |
A low level ALT Capture with autopilot ON would have made the aircraft pitch down quite hard. The same if flown manually and FDs followed (like Emirates). This aircraft did not pitch down.
If flown manually and pitch kept normal, the speed would initially drop, then increase as the speed dropped under the \xabcapture\xbb speed. This aircraft was not flown pitch down into the ground. Flaps instead of gear has been tested to be possible to fly out of. Two engines stopped. At the same or nearly the same time. The possible billion dollar question is why? Subjects: None |
| ManaAdaSystem
June 21, 2025, 20:56:00 GMT permalink Post: 11908046 |
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| ManaAdaSystem
July 12, 2025, 11:03:00 GMT permalink Post: 11920497 |
tdracer hit the nail on the head in one of the earlier threads. Two possibilities: Software shut down the engines, or someone put the fuel switches to cutoff.
It wasn\x92t software. The question now is who shut down the engines and why? Argue fuel switches mechanics, liquid, falling items, electronics, etc, as much as you want, but who and why is where we will end up. Subjects (links are to this post in the relevant subject page so that this post can be seen in context): Fuel (All) Fuel Cutoff Switches |
| ManaAdaSystem
July 13, 2025, 07:53:00 GMT permalink Post: 11921100 |
A lot of \xabflipping\xbb and \xabflicking\xbb of fuel switches going on. You don\x92t flick or flip these switches. They require a deliberate movement.
Subjects (links are to this post in the relevant subject page so that this post can be seen in context): Fuel (All) Fuel Cutoff Switches |
| ManaAdaSystem
July 13, 2025, 08:16:00 GMT permalink Post: 11921117 |
A statement that completely underestimates the human subconscious system. You need a deliberate movement to raise the gear or drop the flaps too\x85I\x92d say nearly every operator has instances of pilots accidentally doing one instead of the other. There will be people saying that there is no way you can have such an extreme action slip but I don\x92t think we should ever underestimate the power of the human to do the most random things, even if it is one-in-a-million event.
Subjects (links are to this post in the relevant subject page so that this post can be seen in context): Action slip Fuel (All) Fuel Cutoff Switches |
| ManaAdaSystem
July 13, 2025, 08:55:00 GMT permalink Post: 11921153 |
Yes, and on the 737 and 320, there is a dedicated switch to turn it on before engine start when it starts automatically. I\x92m sure the 787 is similar.
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| ManaAdaSystem
July 14, 2025, 13:37:00 GMT permalink Post: 11922204 |
I have flown as a copilot with Indian captains, and as a captain with Indian copilots. I have no negative comments about Indian pilots, and \xabauthority gradient\xbb was not an issue.
The fuel switches will not move by themselves. Electrical gremlins will not change the switch position. One pilot asked the other why he moved the switch(es). It was done manually. So WHO and WHY is the question. That leads further to done with intent or done without intent. We can safely say that at the moment, WE DON’T KNOW. This is not a competition. Subjects (links are to this post in the relevant subject page so that this post can be seen in context): Fuel (All) Fuel Cutoff Switches |
| ManaAdaSystem
July 14, 2025, 16:55:00 GMT permalink Post: 11922364 |
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| ManaAdaSystem
July 16, 2025, 14:35:00 GMT permalink Post: 11923770 |
As for the video of the ex-787 pilot saying it is impossible to move the two switches to off position within approximately 1 second, I don\x92t buy it. While I don\x92t fly the 787, the switches on our aircraft are very similar to the ones on the 787 with the same mouvement required to either select them on or off and I can certainly switch them to any position within 1 or at the most 2 seconds.
Just switching them off is not a lengthy process. 1-2 seconds, done. Microswitches don\x92t ask each other \xabwhy did you turn off the switch\xbb. Humans do. Subjects: None |
| ManaAdaSystem
July 17, 2025, 23:11:00 GMT permalink Post: 11924745 |
IF the WSJ leak is correct, it may be because the US investigators are frustrated with the limited information from their Indian counterparts. Or just another way to attract readers and likes. Nobody knows.
Anyway, this is still not a competition on who is right or wrong. It’s a tragedy no matter what caused it. No matter how many \xabI said 500 posts ago\xbb posts that show up, it makes no change. As far as suicide goes, there are many cases where the suicidal person wants to kill as many people as possible before they go. Most go quietly. Subjects (links are to this post in the relevant subject page so that this post can be seen in context): Wall Street Journal |
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