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Pilot DAR
2025-06-12T18:51:00 permalink Post: 11899598 |
I'll post some somewhat informed speculation when I get back.
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Pilot DAR
2025-06-12T20:31:00 permalink Post: 11899702 |
Thankfully the mods are doing an excellent job!
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Pilot DAR
2025-06-13T10:53:00 permalink Post: 11900341 |
Anyone here knows what "
green flickering lights
" in the cabin could be ?.emergency exit light?
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Pilot DAR
2025-06-13T12:35:00 permalink Post: 11900459 |
Who are the posters....
There have been a number of posts going back to the idea that non pilots are posting and cluttering the topic. Sure, this is a pilot's forum, but for myself, I have certainly learned from non pilots, so I don't presume to discount the information from a person about aviation, just 'cause they are not a pilot. That said, knowing that posted information is from a type qualified pilot is extra good. If a poster is a type qualified pilot, they are welcomed to say so in their post, as some have here. If you have other relevant experience, you're welcomed to present that too, even if you're not a pilot (I think of the poster who has heard many RAT deployments - 'cause he's around the Boeing factory flight route!) We are trying to encourage compliant, value added conversation here, so it is not PPRuNe's objective to limit discussion without cause... Subjects: RAT (All) 27 users liked this post. |
Pilot DAR
2025-06-14T03:02:00 permalink Post: 11901100 |
We had a number of comments earlier on relating to posters displaying their lack of knowledge of 787's, or really, aviation in general. Yeah, it was a thing.... For myself, aside from riding in the back of a few, I know very little about 787's (the 707 was my friend). That said, I'm pretty impressed with the more recent posts in this thread. I'm not qualified to comment on their technical merit, but they are pleasingly thought provoking. For those aviation professionals who were patient through some very pedestrian posts - thank you. I hope you can feel the reward of some recent posts of merit. Thanks posters!
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Pilot DAR
2025-06-15T03:59:00 permalink Post: 11902085 |
any concerns this is a systemic error or is it a one time bad lack all holes aligning mismanagement thing. That, I guess, is the $1,000 question!?
For myself, I will fly transatlantic twice in weeks to come, most likely on a 787 (it was two weeks ago), and I will sleep soundly. I have faith that pilot will fly an airworthy airplane well, and I have faith that the continuing airworthiness system will only permit airworthy airplanes to fly. If I do not maintain those faiths as primary, I should probably leave the aviation industry entirely, and just stay on the ground. Subjects: None 12 users liked this post. |
Pilot DAR
2025-06-15T19:52:00 permalink Post: 11902773 |
Hello posters,
We mods are working away on this thread. To be honest, I cannot recall a recent thread with more discussion - which is what we're we for! Good! That said, I, and several other mods, have asked that posters "familiarize themselves" with the contents of the thread. Maybe read all of it, maybe read back a few days before posting. Has what you're thining to post as "new" information, already been presented and discussed (and perhaps dispositioned)? We mods have read most of the posts, so we're trying to stay on top of it, to give readers less to no nonsense to have to read through. We have asked some respects for the crew, particularly in regard of postulated intentional acts - just don't.... unless firm, credible (future) evidence opens this theme. We mods are clearing out such posts with no mercy, but it's still work, and other decent thoughts may get lost in the dustbin as a result (we very, very rarely edit out only a part of a post). And yes, report posts which you really feel are not worthy here, we mods do consider every report. That said, how about not making report worthy posts! My [our] inboxes have been filled with report emails this time around. We eagerly promote good compliant [to PPRuNe rules] discussion, keeping posts within the guidelines makes it more enjoyable for everyone, and less work for your mod team - we really are trying to keep this place the professional pilot discussion you're looking for! Thanks, Pilot DAR P.S. Please don't post AI generated crap, okay? (thanks for reminding me Tu.114) Last edited by Pilot DAR; 15th Jun 2025 at 19:53 . Reason: P.S. Subjects: Thread Moderation 31 users liked this post. |
Pilot DAR
2025-06-16T02:08:00 permalink Post: 11903054 |
Okay posters,
I just deleted a stream of posts relating to a "report". There were enough errors to make that "report" very suspect to me (and I trust tdracer's instincts - so I've left his post with the quotes - for the humour). Please, for all our sakes, and the sanity of the moderating team, do not post things which could appear authoritative, unless you are prepared to attest to their authenticity, and identify the source. Sure, real information is going to come out, please, please do not dilute it's value to all of us by posting nonsense which confuses the real information. We mods will confer about this, though I fear we may need to begin some thread locks while information becomes authentic, and we confirm it, before allowing the AI nonsense to pollute it! Subjects: None 25 users liked this post. |
Pilot DAR
2025-06-17T12:23:00 permalink Post: 11904254 |
Senior Pilot has written in this thread:
Please remember this is a Professional Pilots forum, and speculation by new signups, SLF and others will only be accepted if proven relevant and accurate.
A few posters have sent pleading PM's asking why their post was deleted, while others remains. Please just go with the flow posters, and re read the quote above. The moderator's actions are final, and we don't have the time to personally justify moderation actions. This post, following on to Senior Pilot's and T28's post are a reminder of very general justification of moderator actions. This very sad event could touch on a troubling factor, it is not ruled out yet, neither authoritatively suggested. We, professional pilots, on a professional pilot website will give our colleagues the benefit of the doubt. If new facts come to light from an authoritative (certainly NOT A.I.) source, we will discuss them. There have been pleads from some to weed out newbie speculation posts, this thread is that! For PPRuNe it's not going to be to exclude non pilots, but this thread shows our effort to put very authoritative posters in the forefront. Moderating this thread has been a lot of work, we're doing our best. The event now has a big vacuum, waiting for the flight data recorder information to be formally released. Many of us have speculation, and it can only remain that until flight data recorder facts are publicly available to show what we really should be discussing. The best thing maybe just to hold your speculation, until you are commenting on known facts , and I'm confident that we will, when the time is right... Pilot DAR Last edited by Senior Pilot; 17th Jun 2025 at 17:11 . Reason: A.I. Subjects: Thread Moderation 41 users liked this post. |
Pilot DAR
2025-06-27T23:46:00 permalink Post: 11912237 |
I have opened this thread for a period, as I have read a news report updating the status of the data recorders:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/air-in...-box-1.7573145 From the article:
Indian authorities flew the black boxes from Ahmedabad to the national capital in an Indian Air Force aircraft amid tight security early this week.
The investigation could take weeks or months.
India set up a state-of-the-art laboratory in New Delhi in April to help the AAIB repair damaged black boxes and retrieve data to enhance the accuracy of investigations. A multidisciplinary team led by AAIB director general GVG Yugandhar is probing the Air India crash with assistance from aviation and air traffic control specialists and experts from the U.S. National Transportation Safety Board. Pilot DAR Subjects: AAIB (All) 7 users liked this post. |
Pilot DAR
2025-06-28T00:15:00 permalink Post: 11912245 |
A reminder, for this topic, please spell out in full either: "Air India", or "Artificial Intelligence", whichever you intend. For the purpose of this discussion "AI" is much too confusing!
And let's try to self police before posting Artificial Intelligence nonsense. We all know it's out there, let's not give it any foundation in our discussion by even acknowledging it. Authoritative fact only please! Subjects: None 6 users liked this post. |
Pilot DAR
2025-06-29T09:27:00 permalink Post: 11912904 |
Thank you Turin, It's nice to hear from people who have first hand experience!
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Pilot DAR
2025-06-29T11:12:00 permalink Post: 11912971 |
Having discussed the accident with experienced pilot colleagues, we have all considered that the Egyptair 990 case offered similarities. Yet this is almost a taboo subject.
Can anyone suggest a good reason why the captain should issue a Mayday call at that point? The crew should have been extremely busy with the situation. Aviate, Navigate, Communicate is a mantra we are all familiar with. So why communicate?
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Pilot DAR
2025-06-29T13:36:00 permalink Post: 11913036 |
I distinguish between "upset" and "out of control" for any airplane. "Upset" to me implies an unusual attitude, headed for worse if a correction is not made quickly. An airplane can be stalled, and out of control, but not upset. The pilot may no longer have any control effectiveness available to pitch up, so the airplane is not in control in that sense, though it otherwise is stable (for the moment). I saw in the video an airplane which, after suffering a [total] power loss in a climb pitch attitude, and a climb speed, did not noticeably pitch down, so it certainly would have been slowing down, and approaching a stall. If the pilot maintained the attempt to pitch up, and the airplane was not aerodynamically able to respond, it was not in control, so, out of control.
I encountered this thinking while flight testing a modified GA plane in the company of an experienced test pilot. The airplane would bob across an airspeed range with full nose up pitch control. It was a very stable bob, but the indicated airspeed would increase and decrease about 5 knots during this bobbing, while the controls were held against the nose up stop. I asked him, was the indicated stall speed the faster, or slow of the two airspeeds? His reply: "Can you control the airspeed while the airplane is slower than the faster speed?". "No" I replied. Then the airplane is out of control at the faster airspeed, and that is the stall speed. The fact that it would fly slower was not in my control, though the airplane was still controllable in roll and yaw. It's a fine point, but this event is well into fine point territory! Subjects: None 6 users liked this post. |
Pilot DAR
2025-06-29T15:55:00 permalink Post: 11913101 |
.....stating that a report into this crash is expected within three months.
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Pilot DAR
2025-06-29T18:39:00 permalink Post: 11913169 |
No one was able to say whether it works purely by digital signaling, and goes through any common software, or if it is duplicated by purely direct signaling. There might be numerous failure modes of the cut-off switch design,
It may be work reading back before you post, but it's more work expecting posters to repeat what they have offered before. I know that this is a very long series of posts, but all technical topics have been touched on by now, so please do search back, and assure that what you're thinking to post is actually new information. The moderator team are now deleting posts which resurrect previously dispostioned theories, without providing any new thoughts - just to keep between the guardrails on this one. Subjects: None 3 users liked this post. |
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