Posts by user "Ver5pen" [Posts: 11 Total up-votes: 17 Page: 1 of 1]¶

whilst intentional action is the most obvious explanation one can\x92t ignore data and technical grounds if one is also going to dismiss counter theories on technical grounds

I still don\x92t believe we have got a clear answer on the recording interval of the engine cutoff switch channel, if it\x92s 1s then the \x91debunking\x92 by saying it can be done very quickly is moot as (near) instant would record as 1s I believe

and the RAT element is obviously very relevant, if RAT deployment is not recorded then one has to infer when it deployed based on when it delivered hydraulic/electric capability. And this will come down to counting seconds, any indication that the RAT may have deployed before the fuel cutoffs were recorded as moved is obviously hugely consequential

it\x92s easy to dismiss these narratives as vested interests but let\x92s be honest everyone has a vested interest here and blaming the pilots has been the go to when in doubt for a very very long time- probably as long as aviation has existed

in the absence of explicit evidence (does the CVR have more to tell?) of deliberate action or pre-planning this is a horrifically complicated investigation as there will always be plausible deniability on all sides and different courts/judges will rule on it very differently based on their own biases and views

the AVherald report notes this happened twice and was observed by type rated 787 crew

are we saying that crew don\x92t know how to operate these switches? The first time one could argue they didn\x92t seat it properly but the second time? I would assume all 787 (particularly air india) are VERY sensitive and deliberate with this particularly switch post 171

the plane is now grounded by the airline so something happened

I said the PLANE not the fleet, not the type.

This is factually accurate

sounds like they discovered the issue on engine start, reported the issue and carried on the flight to their home base where the aircraft is AOG for maintenance related activities

sounds like they noted twice that the cutoff hadn\x92t seated properly and eventually got it gated (done in conjunction with maintenance who knows?)

and they continued on with no other dramas to their home base where the plane is now in the hands of maintenance

clearly *something* happened as I don\x92t think airlines are on the habit of grounding their $300m airliners for no reason.

i remember when the consensus was this issue (fuel cutoffs not seating properly) was nearly impossible yet this crew found differently.

maybe we should discuss new information on the merits of that and not frame everything as x party trying to shift blame

this is certainly noteworthy even if it ultimately has nothing to do with 171

I\x92m sorry but dismissing this as not relevant in the 171 accident blows my mind

the same fleet operated by the same airline

I still think intentional action is the most obvious explanation but that will never be 100% concrete without definitive evidence (a note or previous suicidal ideation)

air India was hardly known to be a beacon of maintenance standards prior to their takeover by TATA and like a super carrier the ship takes a long time to turn around, their legacy fleet that they inherited was known to be particularly troubled. Google air india and spares and you\x92ll see they had a huge % of their fleet grounded for lack of support prior to TATA taking them over


\x91Until pressed down slightly\x92

Thisraises my eyebrow at least. So they appear functional until externally interfered with? I imagine 787 drivers and certainly AI crew today manipulate the fuel cutoffs when doing engine start ever since 171, I certainly do on the Bus ever since this incident to make sure it\x92s seated properly. hence it was picked up this time but was it before?

So a hand behind the TL or placing their hand back on or any other thing in that area that places pressure on those switches at the wrong moment. Wasn\x92t there an Atlas 767 that we speculate was lost because of an oversized watch (combined with sheer incompetence)?

again, I reiterate the most likely explanation is pilot suicide but can we rule out everything else? Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and that goes both ways.

On the third attempt the switch seated correctly and remained there

Are you saying air india pilots are fabricating these things now? That\x92s quite the claim

So the Indians are spreading conspiracy theories by pointing fingers at Boeing but what exactly is this you are suggesting? Good faith fact based analysis? This is almost wilder than anything I\x92ve heard from the most rabid Indian media report

that was the spin I found on the poster. The statement is official

it said vertical pressure not pulling, that\x92s quite significant

indeed. This is what I am taking from this

all of the noise about these switches being foolproof and above suspicion hence it could only have been deliberate action

yet many airlines have suffered inadvertent engine shutdowns because of accidental manipulation of fuel cut off switches/engine masters in

and these specific switches on the identical fleet in the same airline, it\x92s certainly a noteworthy revelation

dismissing this as professional crews trying to cover up for their colleagues or some other highly absurd slanderous accusation I would\x92ve hoped was beneath PPRUNE, but of course only Indians/foreigners are to be doubted, everyone else are professionals who only ever act with integrity. We\x92ve never seen western/American OEMs or regulators falling short on this absolutely not.