Posts by user "Winemaker" [Posts: 7 Total up-votes: 0 Pages: 1]

Winemaker
July 12, 2025, 23:13:00 GMT
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Post: 11920915
Originally Posted by GSeries_jetcrew
Yes I totally agree, if it was deliberate there would have been a fight to prevent them being turned on again, until it was too late. As a previous post said, during a loss of thrust on both engines, your immediate comment is not \x93why did you cut off\x94 therefore it\x92s reasonable to assume he saw it happen, and then a 10 second fight to restore them ensued.
There are no time stamps on the reported conversation; the comment 'why did you cut off' could have been made after the switches were returned to run position.

Subjects (links are to this post in the relevant subject page so that this post can be seen in context): Fuel (All)  Fuel Cutoff Switches  Pilot "Why did you cut off"

Winemaker
July 13, 2025, 17:37:00 GMT
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Post: 11921474
Originally Posted by skippybangkok
A bit of psycology. If one were intent on crashing the plane and did switch to cut off, they would most likely fight like hell to keep them off.

Kudos to the crew for trying to re-light the engines so quickly.

My 10 cents is on the switches and there is not a aireworthiness directive out there for nothing.
There was not an AD for the switches, there was a service bulletin.

edit: Sorry, didn't see Andy S post.....

Subjects (links are to this post in the relevant subject page so that this post can be seen in context): Air Worthiness Directives  Fuel (All)  Fuel Cutoff Switches  Relight

Winemaker
July 13, 2025, 22:52:00 GMT
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Post: 11921753
tdracer, a breath of fresh air! Thank you!

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Winemaker
July 14, 2025, 15:10:00 GMT
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Post: 11922286
Originally Posted by barrymung
I disagree.

It was a very small "window of opportunity", maybe 30 seconds longer and the plane could have been saved. Also there's no guarantee the other pilot wouldn't work to prevent it. Indeed, it was deemed that checking the safety latches on the switches was not necessary.

If a pilot were feeling suicidal it would have been so much easier for them to drive off a bridge on the way to work.

The chance of any flight crashing due to pilot suicide is 1 in 122 million. Very, very unlikely.
Considering that there are more than 100,000 flights/day worldwide I think you are off by several orders of magnitude.

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Winemaker
July 16, 2025, 17:21:00 GMT
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Post: 11923869
Lonewolf, I'm not talking about a switch that was broken all the time. It was wrongfully installed the same morning.
The switch was not broken. It was installed in a wrong way. I don't understand why you don't understand.
So now you're claiming the two fuel control switches were replaced the morning of the flight? The hamsters are getting dizzy....

Last edited by Winemaker; 16th July 2025 at 17:23 . Reason: spelling

Subjects (links are to this post in the relevant subject page so that this post can be seen in context): Fuel (All)  Fuel Cutoff Switches

Winemaker
July 17, 2025, 01:36:00 GMT
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Post: 11924085
Originally Posted by galaxy flyer
Undoubtedly from someone not authorized to comment, but the WSJ just issued a breaking news piece. As it is behind a paywall, here\x92s the pertinent excerpt,
Here's an archived copy for easy viewing...

https://archive.ph/2QYNP

Subjects (links are to this post in the relevant subject page so that this post can be seen in context): Wall Street Journal

Winemaker
July 17, 2025, 17:23:00 GMT
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Post: 11924529
Originally Posted by ferry pilot
Suicide is often impulsive. A sudden, unplanned leap from a balcony, bridge or precipice is a single motion with almost guaranteed terminal result. Unfortunately an airplane in the hands of a depressed or mentally unstable pilot can also be a single, impulsive motion away from instant, painless death. As demonstrated, a couple of flicked switches and a very short wait.

Unlike previous pilot suicides that took deliberation and often aggressive action, this appears to be a passive event that could have been conceived and executed in the same impulsive instant. Followed almost immediately by regret, denial and even a futile attempt at reversal.
This discussion of impulse suicide brought back to me this from Philip K. Dick\x92s \x91Martian Time Slip\x92\x85...

\x93Suddenly it came to him that he should kill himself. The idea appeared in his mind full blown, as if it had always been there, always a part of him. Easy to do it, just crash the \x91copter. He thought, I am goddamn tired of being Norbert Steiner; I didn\x92t ask to be Norbert Steiner or sell black market food or anything else. What is my reason for staying alive? I\x92m not good with my hands, I can\x92t fix or make anything; I can\x92t use my mind either, I\x92m just a salesman. I\x92m tired of my wife\x92s scorn because I can\x92t keep our water machinery going \x96 I\x92m tired of Otto who I had to hire because I\x92m helpless even in my own business.

In fact, he thought, why wait until I can get back to the \x91copter? Along the street came a huge, rumbling tractor-bus, its sides dull with sand; it had crossed the desert just now, was coming to New Israel from some other settlement. Steiner set down his suitcase and ran out into the street, directly at the tractor-bus.

The bus honked; its air brakes screeched. Other traffic halted as Steiner ran forward with his head down, his eyes shut. Only at the last moment, with the sound of the air horn so loud in his ears that it became unbearably painful, did he open his eyes, he saw the driver of the bus gaping down at him, saw the steering wheel and the number on the driver\x92s cap. And then---\x94

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