Posts by user "aox" [Posts: 13 Total up-votes: 0 Pages: 1]

aox
June 12, 2025, 23:03:00 GMT
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Post: 11899816
Originally Posted by island_airphoto
Knowing nothing else but watching that, it looked like the plane was very heavy, got out of ground effect, and started sinking again. The pilot, if that was true, needed to level off and gain speed.
But as people have already pointed out, it did not need to be very heavy, as that route is rather less than the maximum range.

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aox
June 13, 2025, 01:45:00 GMT
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Post: 11899914
Originally Posted by fdr
The IDGA AAIB is not known for rapid response, this event is of international importance, it appears that it is being treated as such by the authorities involved. The EAFRs on the 787 will tell all soon, and we need that information, this is a globally important aircraft type.

It said on the TV that people.from.the UK AAIB are going out to help

Subjects (links are to this post in the relevant subject page so that this post can be seen in context): AAIB (All)  AAIB (India)  AAIB (UK)

aox
June 13, 2025, 17:03:00 GMT
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Post: 11900695
Originally Posted by AndyJS
Apologies if already discussed but I'd be interested to know how common/unusual it is for a commercial aircraft to be "Stored for parts to be used on other 787's in the fleet" and then "Returned to Service"? These happened on 2019-01-23 and 2019-05-24 respectively according to this page.

https://www.b787register.co.uk/airframe.php?ln=0026
Doesn't apply to those dates, but COVID means a lot of aircraft have been stored then brought back

Friends observed some operated by a certain UK airline that went to desert storage in America, then came back to be re-registered the same as before.

All the work will have been properly done, and it's unlikely to be of any relevance several years later

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aox
July 13, 2025, 21:57:00 GMT
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Post: 11921709
Reminder of one phrase quoted in some news reports

Investigators have identified \x93components of interest for further examinations\x94, the report says .

Those results may affect some assumptions being made in this thread

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aox
July 15, 2025, 09:08:00 GMT
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Post: 11922762
Originally Posted by JustusW
S o everything beyond the bereavement leave is based on statements by one of the many "experts" opining publicly for clout or money based on rumors from people who have no way of knowing what they are talking about. The list of baseless false statements by those experts is getting a bit long. If there was reason to believe Pilot Suicide we would expect Law Enforcement to be involved and the homes of both pilots to have been searched. Either this was done completely evading public notice, which I find hard to believe in such a high profile case, or it was not done at all. I find the latter option the more believable of the two.

There is no need to put any kind of emphasis on the "apparently" part. Obviously we are only looking in from the outside. But there is zero evidence for mental health issues and several indicators for this to not be the case. Taking time off to grief for a parent is a healthy and normal way to deal with a tragic life event like this. It shows that the Captain was both emotionally and financially stable enough to assess and prioritize his personal needs.
In addition, considering taking early retirement to spend more time with his father does not imply that he the pilot is still having difficulty coping with grief of his mother's death, but quite possibly that the father has been ok so far but may be gradually starting to show small signs of needing a bit more help in future. This isn't a set of circumstances bound to make someone feel life is becoming too difficult. It can as easily and more commonly be showing compassion, consideration for others.

Subjects (links are to this post in the relevant subject page so that this post can be seen in context): Mental Health

aox
July 15, 2025, 10:57:00 GMT
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Post: 11922832
Originally Posted by 1stspotter
Media in India are massively spreading disinformation. They mention a May 2025 CAA safety notice (based on 2015 FAA AD) on the fuel valve actuator but mention in the headline the fuel control switch. Two totally different parts of the aircraft. Seems to me coordinated damage control .
https://feitoffake.wordpress.com/202...trol-switches/
Accusing media reports of deliberately coordinating damage control is a bit far fetched

Even away from this subject we can all of us see news reports that seem to plagiarise each other, then a new angle is thought of, and they rush to copy each other again

Someone speculates on a small point, someone else slightly misreads emphasis, the word reportedly is introduced into later copyist reports, as if there was somewhere beforehand some original authority, and gradually a guess can start to assume the proportions of fact.

Same sort of things trying to happen in this thread, even with plenty of folks here having more knowledge and experience than overall standard of press reports

Subjects (links are to this post in the relevant subject page so that this post can be seen in context): Air Worthiness Directives  FAA

aox
July 15, 2025, 13:19:00 GMT
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Post: 11922933
Originally Posted by enderman
On two independent switches within approximately one second of each other, which then go back to run again in a similarly human-esque timescale? I just don\x92t see it. It\x92s a duck.
Not impossible in some sets of circumstances. Someone above mentioned a common mode issue, faulty earth lead affecting twin magnetos.

If a switch body is partly metal and connected internally to one of the contacts, and if the metal panel it is mounted on has a stray intermittent voltage on it due to an issue somewhere else, there may be an unpredictable and difficult to trace effect

I'm not saying this is happening here, and I hope that things are not designed that way, but it isn't completely impossible everywhere in the world.

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aox
July 16, 2025, 10:13:00 GMT
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Post: 11923606
Originally Posted by 1stspotter
It is both fascinating and unsettling to observe how the media in India consistently refuse to acknowledge that suicide may be the most likely scenario. Key voices\x97such as former pilots and the airline pilots' union\x97continue to dismiss the possibility that a pilot could have deliberately moved the fuel control switches to the cutoff position. They rely on factually incorrect arguments and emotional reasoning. For instance, some suggest a potential defect in the Boeing 787\x92s fuel cutoff switches.
Well, perhaps it isn't yet viewed as proven, and unless or until more evidence emerges that may or still not establish that, doing something by mistake is usually more likely. Historically in most contexts there are far more mistakes (including non-fatal) than suicides

Subjects (links are to this post in the relevant subject page so that this post can be seen in context): Fuel (All)  Fuel Cutoff  Fuel Cutoff Switches

aox
July 16, 2025, 10:58:00 GMT
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Post: 11923636
I wonder if the people who are so adamant that mistaken operation of the wrong control is simply impossible have ever had a windscreen wipe in a car while intending to use an indicator light. And if they have, have some of these occasions happened at higher than average stress moments, such as someone else behaving oddly at a junction.

(Of vehicles with two sets of stalk mounted switches adjacent to the steering wheel, some have lights on the left, and some have lights on the right. This may be, but isn't always, related to whether the home market of the car design drives on the left or the right. British drivers and owners of some Japanese cars may have more experience of both than Europeans only ever driving cars from their home country.)



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aox
July 17, 2025, 02:50:00 GMT
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Post: 11924106
​​​​The WSJ phrase according to people familiar with U.S. officials\x92 early assessment of evidence uncovered in the crash investigation

... is not necessarily the same as sources close to the investigation, speaking in condition of anonymity

Later in the article is another phrase according to people familiar with the matter, U.S. pilots and safety experts tracking the probe.

That also isn't necessarily people actually within in the investigation. Both phrases, especially the latter, can sound like descriptions of people expressing opinions after they read the report, like all the explanatory videos, or like some of the chat here. Tracking the probe isn't the same as taking part in it.

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aox
July 17, 2025, 03:39:00 GMT
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Post: 11924116
That says Homendy has been fully briefed.

It does not say the spokesperson who said this also has personal contact with all the same information.

Berman, as a former NTSB official, perfectly fits not only the article's prior description safety experts familiar with the matter, but also me pointing out that reading and interpreting the report isn't the same as taking part in it.

The article says some US officials think there should be criminal investigation. That doesn't necessarily mean there isn't, which may be happening without their knowledge, though there is this to note.

Aviation disasters that may involve potential deliberate actions to crash planes might never fully be resolved, due to incomplete evidence and disagreement over analyses. In some cases, countries taking part in lengthy international accident probes have disagreed with each other\x92s final conclusions.

Plane-crash investigations can often last a year or longer, and new information that comes to light can contradict initial assessments.


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Subjects (links are to this post in the relevant subject page so that this post can be seen in context): NTSB

aox
July 17, 2025, 10:08:00 GMT
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Post: 11924276
Originally Posted by Final 3 Greens
British cars have followed the European stalk layout for as long as I can remember. That's about the only substantial thing I can add to this thread, so I'll post nothing else.
Some of us will have driven both, and not only on British and Japanese. British cars seemed to change over in about the 1980s or 90s

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aox
July 17, 2025, 10:36:00 GMT
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Post: 11924300
Originally Posted by paulross
But will it be accurate? Remember the Titan submersible and the alleged communications 'leaked' shortly after the disaster? Bogus. Just one of many, many examples.
Not a good example to choose. Some of us will have seen a TV documentary about this, in which several people talk about misgivings in advance, and some of those were communicated to people within the operating company, as well as someone within a company making a previous documentary telling colleagues he thought they should give up. One test dive was abandoned at only a few meters deep when the end cap fell off. Some people walked out at that point.

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