cncpc
June 14, 2025, 23:58:00 GMT
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Originally Posted by X-37

Doesn\x92t explain the apparent lack of flaps, but maybe the gear pins were still in?

Gear pins?

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cncpc
June 15, 2025, 00:00:00 GMT
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Originally Posted by PoacherNowGamekeeper

Item 1) On the 787, is the gear lever on the main panel facing the flight crew, or on the centre console? I'd imagine they'd (flap and gear levers) need to be adjacent to each other for that to happen. All good points though.

They are near, but flaps have a lever and the gear is a switch.

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cncpc
June 15, 2025, 00:03:00 GMT
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Originally Posted by A320 Glider

Just to confirm.
The 787 is an aircraft which likes to, performance wise, use all of the available runway for takeoff. Sometimes you can be sat in the 787 and as you are rolling down the runway, you start wondering if Rotate has been called or not. It loves taking up all of the runway.

Nevertheless, there are some interesting speculations over on X. One guy even claimed the Captain was in the lavatory during the accident...

Many people have noted what appears to be the RAT deployed in the video footage suggesting dual engine failure. Possible wrong engine shutdown? But who diagnoses and actions an engine failure and shutdown below 400ft?

The Mayday specified loss of control and engine failure.

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cncpc
June 15, 2025, 00:26:00 GMT
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Originally Posted by Chesty Morgan

Mayday call could just be a panicked reaction to not having a clue what was happening.

Alternatively, it could have been exactly what was stated...loss of control and engine failure.

It takes some neck to accuse a veteran captain of panicking.

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cncpc
July 15, 2025, 20:58:00 GMT
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Originally Posted by blind pew

I'm suggesting that occasionally electrics or electronics can do strange things as happened in 2015 with the loss of the A400m after an update had accidentally wiped some important software out.
One of my instructors landed a Baron without its undercarriage after an electrical fault in spite of cranking the gear down by hand and having it retract.
At the moment there isn't a plausible cause besides insanity.

And...why is that plausible?

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cncpc
August 09, 2025, 00:18:00 GMT
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Originally Posted by procede

For me the key question is if the PNF (captain) called 'positive rate'.

Yes. I agree that is a key part of the puzzle. I may be wrong on timing, but it seems that the normal time for that call would have come just before the shutdowns. As would the "gear up" response. If the Captain called it, it speaks to a normal state of mind.

The aircraft is said to have reached 600 feet AGL. It couldn't have done that without evidencing positive rate to the PNF.

I've seen some commentary/speculation as to why the Captain queried the FO about the reason the fuel was shut off.

Last edited by Pilot DAR; 9th August 2025 at 01:16 . Reason: Removed terms "suicide" and "murder"

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cncpc June 14, 2025, 23:58:00 GMT permalink Post: 11901930	Quote: Originally Posted by X-37 Doesn\x92t explain the apparent lack of flaps, but maybe the gear pins were still in? Gear pins? Subjects: None The thread is closed so there are no user likes are available and no reply is possible.
cncpc June 15, 2025, 00:00:00 GMT permalink Post: 11901935	Quote: Originally Posted by PoacherNowGamekeeper Item 1) On the 787, is the gear lever on the main panel facing the flight crew, or on the centre console? I'd imagine they'd (flap and gear levers) need to be adjacent to each other for that to happen. All good points though. They are near, but flaps have a lever and the gear is a switch. Subjects Gear Lever Links are to this post in the relevant subject page so that this post can be seen in context. The thread is closed so there are no user likes are available and no reply is possible.
cncpc June 15, 2025, 00:03:00 GMT permalink Post: 11901937	Quote: Originally Posted by A320 Glider Just to confirm. The 787 is an aircraft which likes to, performance wise, use all of the available runway for takeoff. Sometimes you can be sat in the 787 and as you are rolling down the runway, you start wondering if Rotate has been called or not. It loves taking up all of the runway. Nevertheless, there are some interesting speculations over on X. One guy even claimed the Captain was in the lavatory during the accident... Many people have noted what appears to be the RAT deployed in the video footage suggesting dual engine failure. Possible wrong engine shutdown? But who diagnoses and actions an engine failure and shutdown below 400ft? The Mayday specified loss of control and engine failure. Subjects Dual Engine Failure Engine Failure (All) Engine Shutdown MAYDAY RAT (All) RAT (Deployment) Links are to this post in the relevant subject page so that this post can be seen in context. The thread is closed so there are no user likes are available and no reply is possible.
cncpc June 15, 2025, 00:26:00 GMT permalink Post: 11901953	Quote: Originally Posted by Chesty Morgan Mayday call could just be a panicked reaction to not having a clue what was happening. Alternatively, it could have been exactly what was stated...loss of control and engine failure. It takes some neck to accuse a veteran captain of panicking. Subjects Engine Failure (All) MAYDAY Links are to this post in the relevant subject page so that this post can be seen in context. The thread is closed so there are no user likes are available and no reply is possible.
cncpc July 15, 2025, 20:58:00 GMT permalink Post: 11923220	Quote: Originally Posted by blind pew I'm suggesting that occasionally electrics or electronics can do strange things as happened in 2015 with the loss of the A400m after an update had accidentally wiped some important software out. One of my instructors landed a Baron without its undercarriage after an electrical fault in spite of cranking the gear down by hand and having it retract. At the moment there isn't a plausible cause besides insanity. And...why is that plausible? Subjects Electrical Failure Links are to this post in the relevant subject page so that this post can be seen in context. No recorded likes for this post (could be before pprune supported 'likes'). Reply to this quoting this original post. You need to be logged in. Not available on closed threads.
cncpc August 09, 2025, 00:18:00 GMT permalink Post: 11935491	Quote: Originally Posted by procede For me the key question is if the PNF (captain) called 'positive rate'. Yes. I agree that is a key part of the puzzle. I may be wrong on timing, but it seems that the normal time for that call would have come just before the shutdowns. As would the "gear up" response. If the Captain called it, it speaks to a normal state of mind. The aircraft is said to have reached 600 feet AGL. It couldn't have done that without evidencing positive rate to the PNF. I've seen some commentary/speculation as to why the Captain queried the FO about the reason the fuel was shut off. Last edited by Pilot DAR; 9th August 2025 at 01:16 . Reason: Removed terms "suicide" and "murder" Subjects Fuel (All) Fuel Cutoff Links are to this post in the relevant subject page so that this post can be seen in context. No recorded likes for this post (could be before pprune supported 'likes'). Reply to this quoting this original post. You need to be logged in. Not available on closed threads.

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