etrang
June 12, 2025, 15:51:00 GMT
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Originally Posted by PC767

Incidental, but I wonder the camera operator was actually trying to capture. Did the aircraft fly into his shot or had something occurred which made him, (sounds like a him), grab his device and start recording? The footage from X is not CCTV, its a hand held device, probably a phone, and not professional. Was capturing the final moments of this unfortunate aircraft a coincidence?

He may have noticed that the plane was flying lower than usual. Anyone living near the airport would be well aware of the normal flight path.

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etrang
June 12, 2025, 16:32:00 GMT
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Considering the RAT is 100% out as evidenced from footage both visually and audibly; the initial conclusion can only be both engines have failed, or one failed, and the other unfortunately shut down.

The entire flight from rotation to impact was 30 seconds. Is it even possible to complete an engine shutdown in that time?

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etrang
June 13, 2025, 06:25:00 GMT
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Originally Posted by TogaToFLs

That was my first thought. You don\x92t get a double engine failure for nothing else but that and maybe birds, but birds would have caused some trailing smoke or at least some visible signs on cctv at some point throughout the ingestion period.

There's no evidence of bird strike on any of the videos. Fuel starvation/contamination is highly unlikely to impact both engines simultaniously. One other possibility is a catastrophic software failure, as Boeing had with the 737 Max.

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etrang
July 13, 2025, 13:54:00 GMT
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Suggesting it was a pilot "brain fart" is also purely speculation, but that speculation is welcomed.

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etrang
July 13, 2025, 13:59:00 GMT
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Originally Posted by LTC8K6

I don't think it's yet time to go "there".

Why would a suicidal pilot even allow the attempt to restart within 10 seconds?

Similar questions were asked about the actions of the pilot of Egypt Air 990.

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etrang
July 14, 2025, 09:35:00 GMT
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The Captain reportedly had been suffering from depression and mental health issues.

Telegraph

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etrang
July 14, 2025, 10:57:00 GMT
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This is the summary

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Air India crash investigators are examining the medical records of the pilot whose plane crashed in Ahmedabad amid claims that he suffered from depression and mental health problems.

Captain Sumeet Sabharwal, who was 56, was months from retirement but had been considering leaving the airline to look after his elderly father following the death of his mother in 2022, The Telegraph can reveal.

The pilot, who had more than 15,000 flying hours to his name, last undertook a Class I medical exam on Sept 5 last year.

His records have been handed to investigators, whose initial report said their focus was on the actions of the pilots rather than a technical fault with the plane. The Airline Pilots’ Association of India said it rejected the “tone and direction” of the inquiry.

Captain Mohan Ranganathan, a leading aviation safety expert in India, told The Telegraph: “I have heard from several Air India pilots who told me he had some depression and mental health issues. He had taken time off from flying in the last three to four years. He had taken medical leave for that.”

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etrang
July 15, 2025, 14:00:00 GMT
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The fuel switches were switched off with a gap of 1 second (allowing for 1Hz sampling, between 0 and 2 seconds).
They were switched back on, about 10 seconds later, with a gap of 4 seconds (between 3 and 5 seconds).
What might account for the much slower switch on, especially given the serious nature of the situation?

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etrang
July 15, 2025, 14:41:00 GMT
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when you see both engines quitting right after takeoff you might be a bit shocked and perplexed . You also will struggle to imagine its your colleque who just switched both off .

There's certainly the "startle factor" to be considered. My focus is on the gap between switching back on #1 and #2.
After engine #1 has been switched back on, why wait another 4 seconds (3 to 5 seconds) before switching back on #2?

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November 07, 2025, 11:46:00 GMT
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He said two officials from India's Aircraft Accident Investigation Bureau who visited him had implied that his son, pilot Sumeet Sabharwal, cut the fuel to the plane’s engine after take-off.

Just to clarify, this is the Captain, who was the PM.

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etrang June 12, 2025, 15:51:00 GMT permalink Post: 11899293	Quote: Originally Posted by PC767 Incidental, but I wonder the camera operator was actually trying to capture. Did the aircraft fly into his shot or had something occurred which made him, (sounds like a him), grab his device and start recording? The footage from X is not CCTV, its a hand held device, probably a phone, and not professional. Was capturing the final moments of this unfortunate aircraft a coincidence? He may have noticed that the plane was flying lower than usual. Anyone living near the airport would be well aware of the normal flight path. Subjects CCTV Links are to this post in the relevant subject page so that this post can be seen in context. The thread is closed so there are no user likes are available and no reply is possible.
etrang June 12, 2025, 16:32:00 GMT permalink Post: 11899348	Quote: Originally Posted by Golfss Considering the RAT is 100% out as evidenced from footage both visually and audibly; the initial conclusion can only be both engines have failed, or one failed, and the other unfortunately shut down. The entire flight from rotation to impact was 30 seconds. Is it even possible to complete an engine shutdown in that time? Subjects Engine Failure (All) Engine Shutdown RAT (All) Links are to this post in the relevant subject page so that this post can be seen in context. The thread is closed so there are no user likes are available and no reply is possible.
etrang June 13, 2025, 06:25:00 GMT permalink Post: 11900014	Quote: Originally Posted by TogaToFLs That was my first thought. You don\x92t get a double engine failure for nothing else but that and maybe birds, but birds would have caused some trailing smoke or at least some visible signs on cctv at some point throughout the ingestion period. There's no evidence of bird strike on any of the videos. Fuel starvation/contamination is highly unlikely to impact both engines simultaniously. One other possibility is a catastrophic software failure, as Boeing had with the 737 Max. Subjects Dual Engine Failure Engine Failure (All) Links are to this post in the relevant subject page so that this post can be seen in context. The thread is closed so there are no user likes are available and no reply is possible.
etrang July 13, 2025, 13:54:00 GMT permalink Post: 11921301	Suggesting it was a pilot "brain fart" is also purely speculation, but that speculation is welcomed. Subjects Action slip Links are to this post in the relevant subject page so that this post can be seen in context. 1 recorded likes for this post. Reply to this quoting this original post. You need to be logged in. Not available on closed threads.
etrang July 13, 2025, 13:59:00 GMT permalink Post: 11921304	Quote: Originally Posted by LTC8K6 I don't think it's yet time to go "there". Why would a suicidal pilot even allow the attempt to restart within 10 seconds? Similar questions were asked about the actions of the pilot of Egypt Air 990. Subjects Relight Links are to this post in the relevant subject page so that this post can be seen in context. 2 recorded likes for this post. Reply to this quoting this original post. You need to be logged in. Not available on closed threads.
etrang July 14, 2025, 09:35:00 GMT permalink Post: 11921957	The Captain reportedly had been suffering from depression and mental health issues. Telegraph Subjects Mental Health Links are to this post in the relevant subject page so that this post can be seen in context. 1 recorded likes for this post. Reply to this quoting this original post. You need to be logged in. Not available on closed threads.
etrang July 14, 2025, 10:57:00 GMT permalink Post: 11922016	This is the summary Quote: Air India crash investigators are examining the medical records of the pilot whose plane crashed in Ahmedabad amid claims that he suffered from depression and mental health problems. Captain Sumeet Sabharwal, who was 56, was months from retirement but had been considering leaving the airline to look after his elderly father following the death of his mother in 2022, The Telegraph can reveal. The pilot, who had more than 15,000 flying hours to his name, last undertook a Class I medical exam on Sept 5 last year. His records have been handed to investigators, whose initial report said their focus was on the actions of the pilots rather than a technical fault with the plane. The Airline Pilots’ Association of India said it rejected the “tone and direction” of the inquiry. Captain Mohan Ranganathan, a leading aviation safety expert in India, told The Telegraph: “I have heard from several Air India pilots who told me he had some depression and mental health issues. He had taken time off from flying in the last three to four years. He had taken medical leave for that.” Subjects Mental Health Links are to this post in the relevant subject page so that this post can be seen in context. 1 recorded likes for this post. Reply to this quoting this original post. You need to be logged in. Not available on closed threads.
etrang July 15, 2025, 14:00:00 GMT permalink Post: 11922913	The fuel switches were switched off with a gap of 1 second (allowing for 1Hz sampling, between 0 and 2 seconds). They were switched back on, about 10 seconds later, with a gap of 4 seconds (between 3 and 5 seconds). What might account for the much slower switch on, especially given the serious nature of the situation? Subjects Fuel (All) Fuel Cutoff Switches Links are to this post in the relevant subject page so that this post can be seen in context. No recorded likes for this post (could be before pprune supported 'likes'). Reply to this quoting this original post. You need to be logged in. Not available on closed threads.
etrang July 15, 2025, 14:41:00 GMT permalink Post: 11922954	Quote: Originally Posted by aerobat77 when you see both engines quitting right after takeoff you might be a bit shocked and perplexed . You also will struggle to imagine its your colleque who just switched both off . There's certainly the "startle factor" to be considered. My focus is on the gap between switching back on #1 and #2. After engine #1 has been switched back on, why wait another 4 seconds (3 to 5 seconds) before switching back on #2? Subjects: None 1 recorded likes for this post. Reply to this quoting this original post. You need to be logged in. Not available on closed threads.
etrang November 07, 2025, 11:46:00 GMT permalink Post: 11984708	Quote: He said two officials from India's Aircraft Accident Investigation Bureau who visited him had implied that his son, pilot Sumeet Sabharwal, cut the fuel to the plane’s engine after take-off. Just to clarify, this is the Captain, who was the PM. Subjects: None No recorded likes for this post (could be before pprune supported 'likes'). Reply to this quoting this original post. You need to be logged in. Not available on closed threads.

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