gearlever
June 13, 2025, 15:19:00 GMT
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Originally Posted by ChiefT

I am curious how this can happen? The handle for the gear is on a completely different place in the cockpit that the flaps handle.
Possibly a B787 pilot could give us an idea?

What is nearby the flaps handle are the switches for the "fuel control".

BOEING, AIRBUS, MD, it doesn't matter, handles for Gear, Flaps different places, different shape. But it has happened and it will happen.....

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gearlever
June 14, 2025, 08:29:00 GMT
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Originally Posted by Greenlights

hello guys,
I'm pilot but not on a heavy one, so I may have a naive question but eh..;depends on planes right ?

-let's imagine, the PM raise the flaps instead of gear (on 787). Is it really a big issue that could lead to a lose of 200/300 feet ?
I mean, you still have take of power ar at least climb power right ? sure you decrease the lift by raising the flaps (at constant speed though ) and lose some height, but the plane keep accelerating ,?

Look for "Behind the power curve"

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gearlever
June 14, 2025, 14:45:00 GMT
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Originally Posted by fox niner

Mate of mine ran the scenario in the 787-simulator:

Take-off with flaps 20, quite some weight added.
at the call positive rate-gear up: they left the gear DOWN and cycled the flaps from 20 to 1.

it was FLYABLE, RECOVERABLE.

albeit with both donks operating.

Interesting. But with F1 you still got some/all slats, don't you?

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gearlever
June 17, 2025, 09:27:00 GMT
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"On Jun 17th 2025 an official, a former Air India Captain trained by the Captain of the accident flight, stated, that the CVR has been successfully read out, the voices on the CVR are very clear. It is becoming gradually clear from the newly emerging evidence that there was probably zero negligence in the cockpit, the crew did not give up until the very last moment. The probability of a technical cause is high. A preliminary report by India's AAIB can be expected in a few days."

AvH

Subjects AAIB (All) CVR Preliminary Report

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gearlever
June 17, 2025, 09:43:00 GMT
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Originally Posted by geo10

Where is this quote from? a link perhaps 👍

https://avherald.com/h?article=528f27ec&opt=0

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gearlever
June 18, 2025, 11:12:00 GMT
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Vapor Lock?

Hhm....

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gearlever
June 18, 2025, 15:31:00 GMT
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On Jun 18th 2025 the DGCA stated, that the inspection of Air India's Dreamliners did not find any major safety deficiency. Aircraft and maintenance were found in compliance with existing safety standards."

https://avherald.com/h?article=528f27ec&opt=0

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gearlever
June 19, 2025, 12:18:00 GMT
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Do AI 787s have QAR, Quick Access Recorders ?

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gearlever June 13, 2025, 15:19:00 GMT permalink Post: 11900560	Quote: Originally Posted by ChiefT I am curious how this can happen? The handle for the gear is on a completely different place in the cockpit that the flaps handle. Possibly a B787 pilot could give us an idea? What is nearby the flaps handle are the switches for the "fuel control". BOEING, AIRBUS, MD, it doesn't matter, handles for Gear, Flaps different places, different shape. But it has happened and it will happen..... Subjects: None The thread is closed so there are no user likes are available and no reply is possible.
gearlever June 14, 2025, 08:29:00 GMT permalink Post: 11901200	Quote: Originally Posted by Greenlights hello guys, I'm pilot but not on a heavy one, so I may have a naive question but eh..;depends on planes right ? -let's imagine, the PM raise the flaps instead of gear (on 787). Is it really a big issue that could lead to a lose of 200/300 feet ? I mean, you still have take of power ar at least climb power right ? sure you decrease the lift by raising the flaps (at constant speed though ) and lose some height, but the plane keep accelerating ,? Look for "Behind the power curve" Subjects: None The thread is closed so there are no user likes are available and no reply is possible.
gearlever June 14, 2025, 14:45:00 GMT permalink Post: 11901501	Quote: Originally Posted by fox niner Mate of mine ran the scenario in the 787-simulator: Take-off with flaps 20, quite some weight added. at the call positive rate-gear up: they left the gear DOWN and cycled the flaps from 20 to 1. it was FLYABLE, RECOVERABLE. albeit with both donks operating. Interesting. But with F1 you still got some/all slats, don't you? Subjects: None The thread is closed so there are no user likes are available and no reply is possible.
gearlever June 17, 2025, 09:27:00 GMT permalink Post: 11904073	"On Jun 17th 2025 an official, a former Air India Captain trained by the Captain of the accident flight, stated, that the CVR has been successfully read out, the voices on the CVR are very clear. It is becoming gradually clear from the newly emerging evidence that there was probably zero negligence in the cockpit, the crew did not give up until the very last moment. The probability of a technical cause is high. A preliminary report by India's AAIB can be expected in a few days." AvH Subjects AAIB (All) CVR Preliminary Report Links are to this post in the relevant subject page so that this post can be seen in context. The thread is closed so there are no user likes are available and no reply is possible.
gearlever June 17, 2025, 09:43:00 GMT permalink Post: 11904096	Quote: Originally Posted by geo10 Where is this quote from? a link perhaps 👍 https://avherald.com/h?article=528f27ec&opt=0 Subjects: None The thread is closed so there are no user likes are available and no reply is possible.
gearlever June 18, 2025, 11:12:00 GMT permalink Post: 11905099	Vapor Lock? Hhm.... You Tube Subjects: None The thread is closed so there are no user likes are available and no reply is possible.
gearlever June 18, 2025, 15:31:00 GMT permalink Post: 11905295	Quote: On Jun 18th 2025 the DGCA stated, that the inspection of Air India's Dreamliners did not find any major safety deficiency. Aircraft and maintenance were found in compliance with existing safety standards." https://avherald.com/h?article=528f27ec&opt=0 Last edited by Senior Pilot; 18th June 2025 at 20:10 . Reason: Quote, not bold Subjects DGCA Links are to this post in the relevant subject page so that this post can be seen in context. The thread is closed so there are no user likes are available and no reply is possible.
gearlever June 19, 2025, 12:18:00 GMT permalink Post: 11905940	Do AI 787s have QAR, Quick Access Recorders ? Subjects: None The thread is closed so there are no user likes are available and no reply is possible.

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