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tumtiddle
2025-06-13T08:16:00 permalink Post: 11900154 |
Are you kidding? The RAT is deployed (at least on Airbus) when you lose normal electrical supply. This will most likely never (or maybe once) happen in any pilots career.. So you most definitely have not heard "many hundreds" of 777/787 in that abnormal state.
As to the no flaps / flaps debate, time will tell. But what is definitely obvious is that they never raise the gear. Now that is tangible, and to me it seems that initially the aircraft is climbing at a somewhat steady climb until it doesn't. Having flown both Boeings and Airbus+ numerous other types over the years, on every type I have ever flown the initial action once positive climb is determined, is to raise the gear. This goes for every takeoff, normal or with failure of any sort (with the exception of a dual engine failure at rotation, which is not the case here, as they initially climbed to xxx hundred feet). So, initially the gear should have been retracted in order to minimise drag, and the question is, why was it not? Of course, once the gear is up, and in an instance where you get a dual engine failure at low level (highly rare) over land, then it is good arimanship to extend the gear in order for it to take some of the impact when a forced landing is inevitable. But why they did not raise the gear after rotation is a mystery to me. Subjects: Dual Engine Failure Engine Failure (All) RAT (All) RAT (Deployment) 23 users liked this post. |
tumtiddle
2025-06-13T09:29:00 permalink Post: 11900243 |
Not going to get drawn on possible reasons for this crash (that's for investigators), but I would encourage you to make a complaint to the BBC regarding the fact that the BBC News reporters trespassed onto the crash site and probably contaminated it. Their reporter was up-front in admitting that they explored it before the police kicked them out. And even more fundamentally, if they weren't helping with the rescue then they were getting in the way of emergency responders.
Regardless of whether or not the cause is clear cut or not, they should know better than to go trampling around a crash site when they could easily film from the edges. Normally I'm very happy with BBC News as a source of information but this was unacceptable, in my opinion. Subjects: BBC 2 users liked this post. |
tumtiddle
2025-06-13T10:10:00 permalink Post: 11900286 |
One has to assume that, given the seeming lack of lateral deviation from the flight path, and with no obvious yawing or rudder input visible on the videos, there's only two realistic conclusions here? Simultaneous dual engine failure of unknown cause if the RAT was indeed deployed; or flaps reduced too early leading to a stall if the RAT wasn't deployed.
Evidence in this thread would lean me toward the RAT deployed and therefore dual engine out scenario. As for the cause of that, well, only a couple of likely scenarios exist that could cause simultaneous shutdown of both engines, including mistaken or intentional use of the fuel cutoff levers. Subjects: Dual Engine Failure Engine Failure (All) Fuel (All) Fuel Cutoff RAT (All) RAT (Deployment) 3 users liked this post. |
tumtiddle
2025-06-13T10:36:00 permalink Post: 11900322 |
Have I missed news on retrieval of the black boxes (or more precisely, one of the EAFRs in the case of the 787)? The tail section sticking out of the building looks reasonably intact, so I was rather hoping one of them was in there!
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tumtiddle
2025-06-13T14:19:00 permalink Post: 11900559 |
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tumtiddle
2025-06-14T08:10:00 permalink Post: 11901236 |
This seems to be the clearest version of this video around. There are others in worse quality which seem to be someone filming a screen showing this original video.
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tumtiddle
2025-06-14T14:59:00 permalink Post: 11901551 |
https://www.independent.co.uk/asia/i...-b2770031.html
latest update here says second black box found. |
tumtiddle
2025-06-15T07:48:00 permalink Post: 11902201 |
I can understand dismissal of the RAT theory from the single frame image being passed around, but if you watch the video in context, you can see it there. If the dark spots as circled in the YouTube preview above were only there in a frame or two, they could still be dismissed as a video/compression artefact, but they're not. They're there on several frames and move perfectly with the rest of the airframe. It's hard to see how that is anything
but
the RAT.
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