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Jane-DoH
April 03, 2011, 20:16:00 GMT
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Post: 6348525
Bellerophon

You call 3-2-1 Now, start your stopwatch, pre-set to countdown from 58 seconds, and slam the throttles fully forward till they hit the stops. Four RR Olympus engines start to spool up to full power and four reheats kick in, together producing 156,000 lbs of thrust, but at a total fuel flow of 27,000 US gallons per hour. A touch of left rudder initially to keep straight, as the #4 engine limiter is limiting the engine to 88% until 60 kts when it will release it to full power. The F/O calls Airspeed building, 100 kts, V1 , and then, at 195 kts, Rotate . You smoothly rotate the aircraft, lift-off occurs at around 10\xb0 and 215 kts. You hear a call of V2 but you keep rotating to 13.5\xb0 and then hold that attitude, letting the aircraft accelerate.

The F/O calls Positive Climb and you call for the Gear Up . On passing 20 feet radio height, and having checked the aircraft attitude, airspeed and rate of climb are all satisfactory, the F/O calls Turn and you slowly and smoothly roll on 25\xb0 left bank to commence the turn out over Jamaica bay. Some knowledgeable passengers will have requested window seats on the left side of the aircraft at check-in, and are now being rewarded with a very close look at the waters of Jamaica Bay going by very fast! As you accelerate through 240 kts, the F/O calls 240 and you pitch up to 19\xb0 to maintain 250 kts and keep the left turn going to pass East of CRI.
I remember that -- the initial rotation was pretty normal other than being a bit faster, then from there it was brought up to a very steep climb (it feels worse than it is, but I was guessing it was around 22 or so degrees -- it has to do with eyeballing the angle of the horizon to the plane's current path -- 22.5 degrees is 1/4 the way up, 30 is 1/3, 45 is 1/2, 60 is 2/3's and so forth). Clearly I'm not a human ADI

Subjects (links are to this post in the relevant subject page so that this post can be seen in context): Afterburner/Re-heat  Rolls Royce  Rudder  V1  V2

Jane-DoH
April 03, 2011, 20:17:00 GMT
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Post: 6348529
How many shockwaves does the concorde's inlet produce? I've been told it was like 3 or so, but looking at some diagrams it looks like there are 7... two stronger ones, three weaker ones, a bendy stronger one, a gap and then the terminal shock.

Subjects (links are to this post in the relevant subject page so that this post can be seen in context): Intakes  Shockwave

Jane-DoH
April 06, 2011, 21:13:00 GMT
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Post: 6354863
M2Dude

3) A third isentropic fan shock is generated from the progressively
curved section of the fwd ramp
What's an isentropic fan-shock?

5) A terminal shock system is generated by the coalescence of
still supersonic and now subsonic air at the upper section of the ramp
area.
So the lower lip forms a normal shock and the airflow goes subsonic immediately behind it, the supersonic flow above somehow collide and form a shock between the ramps? I understand how the subsonic and supersonic flow coming together would reduce the average velocity -- I'm still surprised the gap between the forward and rear ramps wouldn't act like a divergent surface and cause the supersonic flow to accelerate rather than come down to subsonic speed.

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Jane-DoH
April 06, 2011, 22:58:00 GMT
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Post: 6355023
CliveL

The first bit of the moveable front ramp was carefully shaped to give a sequence of weak shocks that reduced the Mach Number so gradually that shock losses were minimised.
Must have been a highly efficient inlet for a Mach 2 plane: Two traditional oblique waves; a fan-shock (also oblique); a shockwave off the lip that is normal and oblique depending on how far you are away from the lip, and a normal terminal shock.

This was close to an isentropic process, hence the name.
So, isentropic would, in this context, mean that no shock-losses occurred at all?

The whole point of the intake geometry was that the purely aerodynamic boundary between main duct and ramp void was infinitely flexible in shape, which made the design very tolerant of flow disturbances.
Makes sense for an airliner that you would design an inlet this way

Subjects (links are to this post in the relevant subject page so that this post can be seen in context): Intakes  Shockwave

Jane-DoH
April 08, 2011, 02:42:00 GMT
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Post: 6357325
M2Dude

I can think of no other design in the world, before or since, civil or military, where a supersonic engine/intake marriage gave such incredidable levels of performance, stability and predictability.
Well, the XB-70 had an inlet with an efficiency in the 90% range but it wasn't as stable/predictable (it suffered unstarts).


911slf

I believe that engine #4 was limited to somewhat less than max power until 60kt because of a vibration issue.
What kind of vibration issue occurred?

Subjects (links are to this post in the relevant subject page so that this post can be seen in context): Intakes

Jane-DoH
April 09, 2011, 00:35:00 GMT
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Post: 6359223
M2dude

One of the real beauties of the Concorde intake was that it was completely self-startiing, and so unstarts as such were never heard of.
What does self-starting mean exactly? Does it mean self-stablizing?

I seem to remember that Rolls Royce proposed a solution of their own, whre the right hand pair of engines would rotate ant-clockwise (viewed from the front) rather than the clockwise norm for just about any 'Roller' that I can think of. Although this would have completely solved the vibration problem, and was great business for the folks at RR in Patchway (just about doubling the required number of engines) it was a pretty lousy idea if you were an airline and required a much latger holding of spare engines.
Ironically, that idea worked on piston-driven aircraft. The P-38 actually used a left-hand and right-hand prop; in order to make the prop spin in the desired direction, one of the V-1710's were installed backward.

Subjects (links are to this post in the relevant subject page so that this post can be seen in context): Rolls Royce

Jane-DoH
June 12, 2011, 01:27:00 GMT
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Post: 6508002
What was the minimum maneuvering speed for Concorde
- At a typical takeoff weight?
- At MTOGW?

Also what was the typical climb speed
- At lift-off?
- Once 240 kts is achieved?
- At minimum maneuvering speed at typical takeoff weight?
- At MTOGW?

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Jane-DoH
June 22, 2011, 21:24:00 GMT
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Post: 6530332
NW1

It was expressed in the flight manual as "Lowest Authorised" speed, Vla, and didn't depend on weight. 0-15,000' Vla=V2 or Vref as appropriate, 15,000'-41,000' Vla=250kias
I assume in the US then you were restricted to 250 kts below 10,000 feet just like all other aircraft?

41,000'-60,000' Vla=300kias
Why higher speed? That have to do with shockwaves and the resulting pressure distribution differences?

I'm guessing you mean rate of climb rather than IAS?
No, I meant the airspeed you'd be flying at while climbing (post takeoff)

if restricted to 250kts (way below min drag) you'd get pretty poor rates of climb - about 1000fpm if you were lucky
Wow, that's pretty bad. You'd figure with a T/W ratio of around 0.40 you'd do far better than most other aircraft.

and IIRC - you'd quickly want to lower the nose, just barely climb and get her up to 400kts when she'd really fly...
Were you allowed to get over 250 below 10,000 feet in the US, or UK? Regardless, what rate of climb would you get at that speed?

most transatlantic takeoffs were at MTOW - around 185 tonnes
408,000 pounds?

Subjects (links are to this post in the relevant subject page so that this post can be seen in context): IAS (Indicated Air Speed)  Shockwave

Jane-DoH
June 23, 2011, 19:23:00 GMT
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Post: 6532300
CliveL

Brian Calvert quotes 250 kts/2000ft/1000fpm/12deg attitude/reduced thrust for this.
Then what does 250 kts, 19-degrees of climb, afterburners engaged produce?

Subjects (links are to this post in the relevant subject page so that this post can be seen in context): Brian Calvert