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andihce
2025-06-14T13:40:00 permalink Post: 11901493 |
​​​​​​​Note "feel", rather than "hear". Ordinarily you would first be aware of the sound of the engines spooling up, before you felt acceleration. Possibly he was subject to a somatogravic illusion as the plane accelerated downwards. But if indeed the engines were spooling up, the question is, from what thrust level? They could have rolled back, and somehow were recovering. of their own accord or from pilot action. All this is hanging on a pretty fine thread, 1 user liked this post. |
spornrad
2025-06-28T12:21:00 permalink Post: 11912467 |
NYT illustrated the story, drawing the same conclusions as this thread so far:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...ash-cause.html
The analysis suggests that the plane likely extended its wing flaps and slats before takeoff, used adequate runway distance, and took off from a typical point with a relatively normal initial ascent.
Within seconds of takeoff, however, the landing gear retraction process appears to have failed, and the plane’s emergency power generator was likely deployed.... “You don’t see any kind of indication of asymmetric thrust. You don’t see yawing, you don’t see rudder deflection, you don’t see smoke, or puffs of flame from either engine,” said Jeff Guzzetti, a former accident investigator for the Federal Aviation Administration. “That all adds up to me to be a symmetrical loss of power.” |
Lonewolf_50
2025-06-28T22:49:00 permalink Post: 11912706 |
NYT illustrated the story, drawing the same conclusions as this thread so far:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...ash-cause.html ![]() Yeah, that's a concern that one can do nothing about, but I recall Egypt Air 990 having that same sort of obstacle to the investigation (cultural/political). (No, I am not saying that the causes are the same). My point is that each nation's transparency varies, regardless of what ICAO calls for. From two threads I see this: a sudden loss of thrust was the initiating event after a successful take off - all of this other electronic stuff was a result of that. What I will be paying close attention to is what information comes out as regards maintenance and ground handling for that particular hull...and what isn't said. (I guess that may be a while in coming - and I do agree in the general sense that giving the benefit of the doubt is a good position to take at this point in time). 5 users liked this post. |
helispotter
2025-06-29T08:54:00 permalink Post: 11912883 |
NYT illustrated the story, drawing the same conclusions as this thread so far:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...ash-cause.html |
paulross
2025-06-29T14:23:00 permalink Post: 11913058 |
AI171 Thread by Subject
I have rebuilt the site that organises this thread by subject here:
https://paulross.github.io/pprune-th...171/index.html
Main changes:
Raise issues here https://github.com/paulross/pprune-threads/issues or PM me. 5 users liked this post. |
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