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| paulross
June 27, 2025, 09:40:00 GMT permalink Post: 11911783 |
Air India WIKI/external site link
Thanks for doing this.
Someone else created an external page a few days ago that indexed and sorted all the topical posts in this thread and the original one under major headings. I can no longer find it. Did that get deleted by mods for non compliance or is it still around somewhere? I'll update that from time to time. The project that does that is here: https://github.com/paulross/pprune-threads If you have any suggestions raise an issue here: https://github.com/paulross/pprune-threads/issues or PM me. Subjects
Thread Moderation
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| paulross
June 29, 2025, 15:14:00 GMT permalink Post: 11913054 |
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| paulross
June 29, 2025, 15:23:00 GMT permalink Post: 11913058 |
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New York Times
RIPS
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| paulross
July 09, 2025, 20:27:00 GMT permalink Post: 11918595 |
I have lost close friends and colleagues in civil aircraft accidents and done my best to support their families afterwards. It is common in that situation that the families are desperate for any news (who/what/when/where/how/why) and it can make big difference if they get good quality information and right now . They don't care about Annex 13 procedures or timelines. Case in point: UTA772. A close friend was on that. I spent some time with his family immediately afterwards. Official UK government sources were unwitting so basically useless. I managed to hack into a major news organisation's computer network that gave me access to their news feeds (Agence France Presse was the best, naturally). Then I could give the family the information which they craved. With that access I was also able to find out the three other UK victims families (one I then realised was a colleague) and put them in touch with each other. I think that their common suffering brought some, but tiny, comfort to the families. My point is that the families of this accident will be scouring the Internet for information. They might come across this thread. They might find it, in a small way, helpful. That depends on the quality of the posts here. Last edited by paulross; 9th July 2025 at 20:42 . Reason: Clarification: one change of "victims' to "victims families" Subjects
Annex 13
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| paulross
July 10, 2025, 14:04:00 GMT permalink Post: 11919015 |
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Annex 13
Fuel (All)
Fuel Cutoff
Fuel Cutoff Switches
Fuel Cutoff Switches (detent)
ICAO
Memory Items
Relight
Simulation Scenarios
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| paulross
July 12, 2025, 13:25:00 GMT permalink Post: 11920578 |
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Cockpit Area Audio
EICAS
Gear Lever
Preliminary Report
SAIB NM-18-33
Special Airworthiness Information Bulletin
Startle Effect
Switch Guards
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| paulross
July 13, 2025, 12:27:00 GMT permalink Post: 11921247 |
AI171 Thread by Subject
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It studies 3703 posts (and discards 1043 of them). Changes: - Add subjects: "Action slip", "AvHerald", "Human Factors", 'Pilot "Why did you cut off"'. - Build threads up to July 13, 2025, 10:57:00 (built on July 13, 2025, 12:02:17). Project is here: https://github.com/paulross/pprune-threads Raise issues here https://github.com/paulross/pprune-threads/issues or PM me. Subjects
Action slip
AvHerald
Fuel (All)
Fuel Cutoff Switches
Human Factors
Pilot "Why did you cut off"
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| paulross
July 13, 2025, 14:52:00 GMT permalink Post: 11921336 |
On the site that I maintain that covers this thread here:
https://paulross.github.io/pprune-th...171/index.html
I removed the subject that described deliberate action on the part of the pilot(s) for reasons I explained here:
Air India Ahmedabad accident 12th June 2025 Part 2
I would restore that subject if any hard evidence appears that suports that theory, not on the basis of speculation (and out of respect to the families and memories of the flight crew). For those thinking along those lines could I offer this challenge: All the civil aviation pilot suicide cases that I have heard about have been achieved by a rapid descent from cruising altitude. It is a pretty sure outcome. But to switch off the fuel just after takeoff, would you really expect that to succeed? Supposing the other pilot noticed and corrected this in one or two seconds rather than ten, then you would have failed. I'm not saying people intent on this behaviour are being rational but even by the laws of un-rationality it seems an unlikely way of trying to achieve your goal. Subjects: None 7 recorded likes for this post.Reply to this quoting this original post. You need to be logged in. Not available on closed threads. |
| paulross
July 13, 2025, 22:45:00 GMT permalink Post: 11921699 |
Absence of Criminal Investigation
Here is something I have not seen on this thread. In the UK, as I understand it, an accident investigation is lead by the AAIB, however if evidence is discovered that suggests a criminal act has taken place then the police lead the investigation with the AAIB in a supporting role. Here is the
memorandum of understanding [pdf]
describing this, sections 3.5 and 3.6 describe the difference.
I assume something of the same happens in India. However, I can not find any evidence online that a criminal investigation has been launched there and it seems AAIB (India) continues to lead the investigation. This suggests that, with all the evidence gathered by the investigators so far (which is substantial), there are no grounds to conclude that a criminal act had been committed. In other words, this is an accident and not deliberate. Subjects
AAIB (All)
AAIB (India)
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| paulross
July 14, 2025, 15:23:00 GMT permalink Post: 11922250 |
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Preliminary Report
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| paulross
July 17, 2025, 10:18:00 GMT permalink Post: 11924246 |
Subjects
CVR
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| paulross
July 17, 2025, 14:58:00 GMT permalink Post: 11924423 |
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G650 Simulation
Mental Health
Wall Street Journal
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| paulross
July 17, 2025, 21:14:00 GMT permalink Post: 11924633 |
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Jump Seat
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| paulross
August 07, 2025, 10:03:00 GMT permalink Post: 11934539 |
I have rebuilt the site that organises this thread by subject here:
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Changes: - Build threads up to August 07, 2025, 08:19:00 GMT (built on August 07, 2025, 08:47:56 GMT). - Subjects added: "Channel 4". - "Likes" are available on the currently open thread. - You can now respond in pprune to any post on my site under the appropriate subject by clicking the link under the post. This quotes the original post. Project is here: https://github.com/paulross/pprune-threads Raise issues here https://github.com/paulross/pprune-threads/issues or PM me. Subjects
Channel 4
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| paulross
October 03, 2025, 11:17:00 GMT permalink Post: 11963663 |
I have rebuilt the site that organises this thread by subject here:
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Changes: - Build threads up to October 03, 2025, 05:44:00 GMT (built on October 03, 2025, 10:04:00 GMT). - Added: "Brain Fart" and "Cognitive Lapse" to "Action Slip" subject. - Subjects added: "Discovery Channel". - "Likes" are available on the currently open thread. - You can now respond in pprune to any post on my site under the appropriate subject by clicking the link under the post. This quotes the original post. Project is here: https://github.com/paulross/pprune-threads Raise issues here https://github.com/paulross/pprune-threads/issues or PM me. Subjects
Action slip
Discovery Channel
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| paulross
October 03, 2025, 11:22:00 GMT permalink Post: 11963667 |
I have gathered all the posts mentioning "Action Slip", "Brain Fart" and "Cognitive Lapse" on my site that organises this thread by subject , specifically here: https://paulross.github.io/pprune-th...ion_slip0.html Subjects
Action slip
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