Posts by user "paulross" [Posts: 13 Total up-votes: 0 Pages: 1]

It is here: https://paulross.github.io/pprune-th...171/index.html
I'll update that from time to time.
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I have removed that subject as it was based on pure speculation. If there is any evidence that emerges that supports that theory I'll reinstate it.

I have rebuilt the site that organises this thread by subject here: https://paulross.github.io/pprune-th...171/index.html

Main changes:

• Brought up to date with this thread to 2025-06-29T13:48:00.
• Having read the new posts I have a dded subjects such as "RIPS", "New York Times" etc.
• Removed one subject out of respect. This was included because of my poor judgment.

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Whilst I agree with your sentiment, could I suggest another perspective?

I have lost close friends and colleagues in civil aircraft accidents and done my best to support their families afterwards. It is common in that situation that the families are desperate for any news (who/what/when/where/how/why) and it can make big difference if they get good quality information and right now . They don't care about Annex 13 procedures or timelines.

Case in point: UTA772. A close friend was on that. I spent some time with his family immediately afterwards. Official UK government sources were unwitting so basically useless. I managed to hack into a major news organisation's computer network that gave me access to their news feeds (Agence France Presse was the best, naturally). Then I could give the family the information which they craved. With that access I was also able to find out the three other UK victims families (one I then realised was a colleague) and put them in touch with each other. I think that their common suffering brought some, but tiny, comfort to the families.

My point is that the families of this accident will be scouring the Internet for information. They might come across this thread. They might find it, in a small way, helpful. That depends on the quality of the posts here.

I have rebuilt the site that organises this thread by subject here: https://paulross.github.io/pprune-th...171/index.html

Changes:

• Built the thread up to July 10, 2025, 12:31:00
• Add subjects: Relight, 51 Day Issue, Fuel Cutoff Switches (detent), ICAO, Fuel Cutoff Switches, Memory Items, Annex 13, Simulation Scenarios.
• Various technical fixes should give a better/more accurate presentation.

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I have rebuilt the site that organises these three threads by subject here: https://paulross.github.io/pprune-th...171/index.html

Changes:

• Build threads up to July 12, 2025, 11:59:00 (built at July 12, 2025, 13:03:09).
• Add thread about the published report: Preliminary Air India crash report published
• Add subjects: "Guards", "Timeline (Preliminary Report)", "EICAS", "RUN/CUTOFF", "Special Airworthiness Information Bulletin", "SAIB NM-18-33", "Gear Lever", "Startle Effect" and "Cockpit Area Audio".
• Minor improvements to the index.html page.

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I have rebuilt the site that organises this thread by subject here: https://paulross.github.io/pprune-th...171/index.html

It studies 3703 posts (and discards 1043 of them).

Changes:

- Add subjects: "Action slip", "AvHerald", "Human Factors", 'Pilot "Why did you cut off"'.
- Build threads up to July 13, 2025, 10:57:00 (built on July 13, 2025, 12:02:17).

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On the site that I maintain that covers this thread here: https://paulross.github.io/pprune-th...171/index.html I removed the subject that described deliberate action on the part of the pilot(s) for reasons I explained here: Air India Ahmedabad accident 12th June 2025 Part 2

I would restore that subject if any hard evidence appears that suports that theory, not on the basis of speculation (and out of respect to the families and memories of the flight crew).

For those thinking along those lines could I offer this challenge: All the civil aviation pilot suicide cases that I have heard about have been achieved by a rapid descent from cruising altitude. It is a pretty sure outcome. But to switch off the fuel just after takeoff, would you really expect that to succeed? Supposing the other pilot noticed and corrected this in one or two seconds rather than ten, then you would have failed.

I'm not saying people intent on this behaviour are being rational but even by the laws of un-rationality it seems an unlikely way of trying to achieve your goal.

Here is something I have not seen on this thread. In the UK, as I understand it, an accident investigation is lead by the AAIB, however if evidence is discovered that suggests a criminal act has taken place then the police lead the investigation with the AAIB in a supporting role. Here is the memorandum of understanding [pdf] describing this, sections 3.5 and 3.6 describe the difference.

I assume something of the same happens in India. However, I can not find any evidence online that a criminal investigation has been launched there and it seems AAIB (India) continues to lead the investigation.
This suggests that, with all the evidence gathered by the investigators so far (which is substantial), there are no grounds to conclude that a criminal act had been committed.

In other words, this is an accident and not deliberate.

I have rebuilt the site that organises this thread by subject here: https://paulross.github.io/pprune-th...171/index.html

It captures all 4009 posts from the three relevant threads and discards around 1/3 of the posts as having no significant content.

Changes:

• Build threads up to July 14, 2025, 13:20:00 UTC (built on July 14, 2025, 14:31:36 BST).
• Removed 34 subjects that the Preliminary Report has rendered irrelevant such as: "Bird Strike", "Flaps vs Gear", "TCMA" and so on.
• No new subjects added.

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But will it be accurate? Remember the Titan submersible and the alleged communications 'leaked' shortly after the disaster? Bogus. Just one of many, many examples.

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Changes:

- Build threads up to July 17, 2025, 13:34:00 (built on July 17, 2025, 14:42:00).
- Subjects added: "Mental Health", "G650 Simulation", "Wall Street Journal" and (reluctantly) "Suicide/Murder."
- Add some links to "Significant Posts" on the landing page.
- Fix issues with 'permalinks'.

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I have rebuilt the site that organises this thread by subject here: https://paulross.github.io/pprune-th...171/index.html

Changes:

- Build threads up to July 17, 2025, 19:52:00 (built on July 17, 2025, 21:02:45).
- Subjects added: "Jump Seat", thanks to Musician .
- Added "Number of Posts by Date" at the bottom of the landing page.

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